I am asking you to clarify why values are not human constructions. You say they are transcendent, but where is this transcendence taking place?
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Sure they are. If I expect it in return. Jeesuz for a man with such vaunted intellect you sure are dense.
You haven't explained ANYTHING about your morality other than it comes from outside of space and time because of math. Or some such bullshit muzzy-headed shit.
^^^^Transcendent. Bullshit. You think "emergent properties" (examples of which I can point to are bullshit but you gladly scream "Transcendent" whenever you don't have a clue.
Nope. I just hold you in such low esteem I see no need to be pleasant.
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In some case, the values we perceive transcend what is actually necessary just for scientific Darwinian evolution.
What on Earth?? They are properties or perceptions of the human mind and conscience. I never said otherwise
They transcend all our understanding of quarks, electrons, molecules, and atomic electro-chemical bonds, which is completely how we are composed physically.
In some case, the values we perceive transcend what is actually necessary just for scientific Darwinian evolution.
How is that relevant to issue of whether morality is relative?
It's "transcendent" which is code for "buuuuuullllllshiiiiiit"
"Transcendent" has a meaning. Outside of our experience.
But you will note that Cy doesn't allow for something that is within our experience (eg emergent properties which are manifestly obvious throughout the physical world). So he's pretty much stuck with "god"
Just like a proper "Intelligent Design" kinda guy.
Maybe it's because YOU DO AS WELL. How many times have you excoriated folks for not accepting the fact that Christianity was the foundational philosophy for all the great western universities in history.
But sure, we can play your game: if it isn't "god" then what is it? You say it CAN'T be physical ergo it MUST be non-physical.
What is that? (Are you honest enough to state your actual point? I doubt it)
Typically yes. Though Kantians will say there are just principles in themselves, Kant himself was a Christian.
Matt Dillon
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Objective morality from God is the ultimate standard for all human morality.
Whether atheists like it or not.
It's still the standard all the others try to measure up to.
Go read you some Leviticus 18-19.
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Whether atheists like it or not.
It's still the standard all the others try to measure up to.
Go read you some Leviticus 18-19.
C. S. Lewis and 8 Reasons for Believing in Objective Morality — Moral Apologetics
The cornerstone of the moral argument is the existence of an objective moral standard. If there really is a standard of right and wrong that holds true regardless of our opinions and emotions, then the moral argument has the ability to convince. However, apart from the existence of such an objective
www.moralapologetics.com
At least you are honest about using God to support morality.
Matt Dillon
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C. S. Lewis and 8 Reasons for Believing in Objective Morality — Moral Apologetics
The cornerstone of the moral argument is the existence of an objective moral standard. If there really is a standard of right and wrong that holds true regardless of our opinions and emotions, then the moral argument has the ability to convince. However, apart from the existence of such an objective
www.moralapologetics.com
God set the standards, and the rules this world he created works by, and you'd be doing good to know that.
For you, sure.Yeah..became that's where it comes from.C. S. Lewis and 8 Reasons for Believing in Objective Morality — Moral Apologetics
The cornerstone of the moral argument is the existence of an objective moral standard. If there really is a standard of right and wrong that holds true regardless of our opinions and emotions, then the moral argument has the ability to convince. However, apart from the existence of such an objective
Yet, ancient Greeks and Romans had morality without using Christianity.Yeah..became that's where it comes from.C. S. Lewis and 8 Reasons for Believing in Objective Morality — Moral Apologetics
The cornerstone of the moral argument is the existence of an objective moral standard. If there really is a standard of right and wrong that holds true regardless of our opinions and emotions, then the moral argument has the ability to convince. However, apart from the existence of such an objective
Matt Dillon
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No they did not.
See? This is the "they did good, but not quite as good" bullshit.
The God rules reign supreme on this earth. Try and go against 'em if you want, I wouldn't recommend it.
The result of doing so, you will not like.
Hey, Cleetus, you ever read the Bible? As in the Old Testament? Your God had some interesting versions of morality in those days.
What if, hear me out, it turns out your morality is from Al'lah instead of Jahweh? You gonna be cool wit' dat?
That's a pretty low bar for a religion that has more blood on its hands than can be imagined. The Crusades, the countless pogroms murdering countless jews, the slaughter. All in the name of the "good".
I'll see your Lev and raise you a 1Sam 15:3
Matt Dillon
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Fuckstick, I've read The Bible 3X cover to cover, and you can go fuck yourself with a Saguaro cactus, commie punk.
Ain't no "what ifs", motherfucker. I will whoop your retarded commie ass.
You wanted to play, so we're going to play, boy, and I'm gonna show you a reality of this world.
The ancient Greeks were Christians? Is this what you are saying?
Matt Dillon
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You think God didn't create the world before Greece was a country? Wtf?!
Even Sumerians knew about God and fallen angels.
That timeline ain't timelinin', girl.