Being human is hard, this pair of psychologists say. Could accepting we don’t have free will make it easier?

[Hume]

Cool beans

Bye.

 

[murph63]

You are incapable of debate. Why you mostly write insults.

Lol

Yeah and you are the master of irony

 

[murph63]

Bye.

Scared of science? Bye creationist

 

[murph63]

zzzzzzzzz you always end up writing inane insults

You called me dumb. Hypocrite

 

[Into the Night]

You have a pretty hard job of addressing the science on this point since it seems that actual brain scans indicate maybe free will is a myth.

But then I suspect science doesn't much get in your way anyway.

No science here...move along...move along...

 

[Hume]

No science here...move along...move along...

No science here...move along...move along...

 

[Into the Night]

OR MAYBE THE SCIENCE INDICATES IT.

No science here...move along...move along...

You Creationists always assume the worst about science don't you?

The Theory of Creation is not a theory of science, Murphy. It is a religion.
I might point out that very few scientists are atheist.

Science does not attempt to prove whether any god or gods exist or not.

Science itself is completely atheistic, just like mathematics and just like logic.
None of these change at all whether a god or gods exist or not.

 

[Into the Night]

...and your point...?

 

[Hume]

No science here...move along...move along...

The Theory of Creation is not a theory of science, Murphy. It is a religion.
I might point out that very few scientists are atheist.

Science does not attempt to prove whether any god or gods exist or not.

Science itself is completely atheistic, just like mathematics and just like logic.
None of these change at all whether a god or gods exist or not.

The Theory of Creation is not a theory of science, Murphy. It is a religion.
I might point out that very few scientists are atheist.

Science does not attempt to prove whether any god or gods exist or not.

Science itself is completely atheistic, just like mathematics and just like logic.
None of these change at all whether a god or gods exist or not.

 

[murph63]

I always assumed that people really into philosophy would possess self awareness but I learn something new every day

 

[Into the Night]

If someone can predict another person’s choice milliseconds before they are themselves consciously aware of their own choice ( which is what the fMRI results would indicate) then free will is hardly free

It is completely free, Murphy, even if you can see an indication before the action becomes known to someone else.

 

[Into the Night]

functional MRI

...and your point...?

 

[Into the Night]

Like I said the data indicate that there is intent coming before the conscious development of the choice

The intent is the free will, Murphy.

 

[Into the Night]

Ignore the science as it is convenient

No science here...move along...move along...

Attempted proof by TV show.

 

[Into the Night]

I thought we were discussing free will and not your specific question. If the intent to call your friend developed in your brain there’s a chance it could have been seen in an fMRI scan milliseconds before you were conscious of your decision. Ergo free will would be meaningless

Intent is free, Murphy. That is free will. fMRI only sees it happening. Big hairy deal.

 

[Into the Night]

Then I have answered that

You have denied that.

 

[Yakuda]

The Menzies see the surrender of free will not as a way to reject moral responsibility, but rather to reduce the pain we carry. “Once you accept the fact that you are made up of atomic particles that must act in a determined way, that there are distributed causes that are playing out across time, then it is far easier to be gentler to the self and to others,” Ross says.

Being human is hard, this pair of psychologists say. Could accepting we don’t have free will make it easier?

For Ross and Rachel Menzies, making peace with our smallness can help us navigate the challenges of human existence

www.theguardian.com

No you need to accept the pain. The search for "reducing" pain is whats caused all the problems we have. Modern life is about nothing if not avoiding pain, conflict, disagreement etc etc etc

 

[Into the Night]

In other words Murphy posted a fringe scientific study that has come in for widespread criticism in the scientific community, and tried to pass it off here as the accepted scientific consensus

Science is not a study.
Science does not use consensus.
Science is not a community.

He's trying to call a TV show 'science'.

 

[Hume]

No you need to accept the pain. The search for "reducing" pain is whats caused all the problems we have. Modern life is about nothing if not avoiding pain, conflict, disagreement etc etc etc

Yet people support Trump, who is nothing if not the cause of destruction.

 

[Into the Night]

Not fringe. But not widely accepted. I heard about when in grad school.

You were never in grad school, Hugo. Your own illiteracy has already demonstrated it.