Elitests!

cawacko said:
Jarod, I know you’re not responding and that’s totally your right but i’m still trying to understand your position here vis a vis Obama‘s education.

He went to Punahou which depending on the ranking is either Hawaii’s best, or second best, school that today has a cost of $34K/yr.

He then went to Occidental which is an elite liberal arts school that costs $95K/yr: He then went to Columbia before going to Harvard Law.

We you just mistaken on his background or did you feel the need to purposely misrepresent it?
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What did I say about Obama that was untrue.

He was not born to a wealthy family, I do not know the circumstances of his admission or financial relationships with the universities, he went to, maybe he was on scholarship, maybe he had a benefactor. He does not come from money, it did not grow up among the New York City’s wealthy, or Boston’s wealthy, or among those who suffered in the Hamptons or Kennebunkport.

It’s simply true that Obama does not come from the elite class.

Trump did not come from the elite class, but he conducted his adult life as a wannabe elite. Trump had a choice, he chose to try to be one of them.

I don’t know why you think I wouldn’t answer, I believe I always answer you. At least I do when I see your posts. You have good insight and honest questions.
 
cawacko said:
To each his own Jarod but it's a trip this is what drives you when you get up in the morning. You base your identity off this?

What state school's did Obama go to? He went to Punahou in Hawaii, an elite private school, from 5th - 12th grade. He went to Occidental College (a school which costs $95K/yr today) before transferring to Columbia and then Harvard Law.

Kamala Harris' mom was a cancer researcher with a PhD from Berkeley. Her father became an economics professor at Stanford. Those jobs may not pay millions but that's hardly growing up in some working class family.

I look at my own life. My father was in grad school when I was born. He earned a PhD and became a professor. My mom got her MBA. So no, my father did not make much money as a professor. But if you tried to sell me as coming from humble beginnings that's also crap because how many kids have parents as educated as mine.
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I may be wrong about Obama, I thought he went for a year to the university of Hawaii. My apologies if that is true.

I did not say anybody came from a working class family. And there is somewhere in between eat and working class, it’s called middle class.

If I didn’t know better, I would think you were putting words in my mouth in an attempt to prove me wrong for some reason.
 
cawacko said:
And please tell me if they do it differently in PA.

In California if you go to a UC or a Cal State they say that's going to a state school. Me going to USC, no one would say I went to a state school.

I would assume it the same in PA, if you go to Penn State or Kutztown (where my friend went who pitched for the Giants) people would say you are going to a state school. But they wouldn't say that if someone went to Carnegie Mellon.
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Just because someone goes to a private college does not make them elite. I’m really not following your arguments here. I think you’re making some assumptions that in my opinion are far from true. Do you think you’re elite because you went to USC, my wife doesn’t call herself elite she went to USD.

Plenty of people, I would call elite, by the common definition, did go to USD.
 
Jarod said:
What did I say about Obama that was untrue.

He was not born to a wealthy family, I do not know the circumstances of his admission or financial relationships with the universities, he went to, maybe he was on scholarship, maybe he had a benefactor. He does not come from money, it did not grow up among the New York City’s wealthy, or Boston’s wealthy, or among those who suffered in the Hamptons or Kennebunkport.

It’s simply true that Obama does not come from the elite class.

Trump did not come from the elite class, but he conducted his adult life as a wannabe elite. Trump had a choice, he chose to try to be one of them.

I don’t know why you think I wouldn’t answer, I believe I always answer you. At least I do when I see your posts. You have good insight and honest questions.
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A couple of thoughts. I was addressing the state school comment. Private schools aren't state schools. That's why I was asking why you made that comment. I didn't mean to question your integrity but I was wondering whether you were purposefully mispresenting that to try and tell a better story.

You are correct, Obama did not come from a wealthy family that had a bunch of connections. But he grew up in a well educated family. He had access to elite schools from an early age. The networks and relationships from those schools offer a window, and access, into a world many kids in run of the mill public and state schools don't have access too.
 
Jarod said:
I may be wrong about Obama, I thought he went for a year to the university of Hawaii. My apologies if that is true.

I did not say anybody came from a working class family. And there is somewhere in between eat and working class, it’s called middle class.

If I didn’t know better, I would think you were putting words in my mouth in an attempt to prove me wrong for some reason.
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Fair enough if you thought he went to Hawaii for a year.

This is what you said in the OP - Obama - Born to working class single mother, started at state schools but scholarships to Harvard. Started with a low paying job as a community organizer. Married highly paid Michelle.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong per se. Obama's story is what it is. I just believe you were mischaracterizing it.
 
Jarod said:
Just because someone goes to a private college does not make them elite. I’m really not following your arguments here. I think you’re making some assumptions that in my opinion are far from true. Do you think you’re elite because you went to USC, my wife doesn’t call herself elite she went to USD.

Plenty of people, I would call elite, by the common definition, did go to USD.
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State school = public school
Private school does not equal public school

You acknowledge now you thought he went to Hawaii, but this whole point has been private schools are not state schools. Obama went to (elite) private schools the whole time. So saying he went to state schools is a misrepresentation of what he did.
 
IBDaMann said:
Nope. They all profited from massive insider trading from their own lawmaking decisions, i.e. they used their position to enrich themselves ... every single one of them.
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Most of their money is made off of book sales... Are you claiming that they insider traded their books?
 
cawacko said:
State school = public school
Private school does not equal public school

You acknowledge now you thought he went to Hawaii, but this whole point has been private schools are not state schools. Obama went to (elite) private schools the whole time. So saying he went to state schools is a misrepresentation of what he did.
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One factor of elitist, has to do with their schooling, if one went to Exeter they are likely but not necessarily an “elite”.
 
cawacko said:
Fair enough if you thought he went to Hawaii for a year.

This is what you said in the OP - Obama - Born to working class single mother, started at state schools but scholarships to Harvard. Started with a low paying job as a community organizer. Married highly paid Michelle.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong per se. Obama's story is what it is. I just believe you were mischaracterizing it.
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I was simply saying he is not the type of “elite” Trumppers are upset about.
 
So I was not claiming that all private schools are elite, or that everyone who went to one is eelite.

I’m saying that the Bushes and Trump are members of that class, while the Obama’s, Clinton’s and Biden’s are not.

I dont consider what the right wing is upset about are Elite, but the Bushes and Trump are what they call elite.
 
Jarod said:
So I was not claiming that all private schools are elite, or that everyone who went to one is eelite.
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Why don't you define what you mean by "elite"? Obviously you mean it as nothing more than an undefined slur.

Jarod said:
I’m saying that the Bushes and Trump are members of that class,
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There are no such things as "people-classes", especially not by anything you've defined. You have posted nothing but gibberish.

Jarod said:
while the Obama’s, Clinton’s and Biden’s are not.
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They are dishonest, condescending scheisters.

Jarod said:
I dont consider what the right wing is upset about are Elite
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I don't consider you to be able to communicate effectively in English.

Jarod said:
, but the Bushes and Trump are what they call elite.
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Who are "they"? Who are the "right wing"? Am I "right wing"? I wonder if your lack of English proficiency is what relegates you to the political left.
 
Moosakofsky said:
It was financial aid based on need.
Since when did elementary schools offer scholarships based on academic or athletic achievements from 1st through 4th grades?
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"Barack Obama attended Punahou School in Hawaii on a scholarship from the Children's Scholarship Fund, which provided partial tuition assistance for low-income families."

Besides, he didn't go from 1-4, he went from 5 thru high school.
 
christiefan915 said:
"Barack Obama attended Punahou School in Hawaii on a scholarship from the Children's Scholarship Fund, which provided partial tuition assistance for low-income families."

Besides, he didn't go from 1-4, he went from 5 thru high school.
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FWIW, the Children’s Scholarship Fund was created in 1998. So it couldn’t have funded Obama.

That said, many private schools offer tuition assistance (reduced tuition) so he absolutely could have received that.
 
cawacko said:
FWIW, the Children’s Scholarship Fund was created in 1998. So it couldn’t have funded Obama.

That said, many private schools offer tuition assistance (reduced tuition) so he absolutely could have received that.
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Thanks. That's a pretty big mistake by AI. I'll have to check further into this.

Scholarships Received by Barack Obama​

Punahou School​

  • Barack Obama attended Punahou School in Hawaii.
  • He received a scholarship from the Children's Scholarship Fund, which provided partial tuition assistance for low-income families.

Summary of Educational Background​

SchoolType of ScholarshipDetails
Punahou SchoolChildren's Scholarship FundPartial tuition assistance for low-income families
Obama's educational journey began at Punahou School, where he was able to attend due to the support of this scholarship program. This experience contributed to his development and later achievements.

ocpathink.org Barack Obama Presidential Library
 
cawacko said:
I look at my own life. My father was in grad school when I was born. He earned a PhD and became a professor. My mom got her MBA. So no, my father did not make much money as a professor. But if you tried to sell me as coming from humble beginnings that's also crap because how many kids have parents as educated as mine.
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Sounds to me like you were middle class, like me and Kamala Harris and Barack Obama and most Americans.
 
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