I have never had a conversation with intothenight. He is pure troll.
Moral relativism
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IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
Great pivot. It frankly doesn't matter who these people are; your denial of their existence makes you irrational.
Let's recap: You have once again proclaimed your opinion on a matter as absolute truth, and dissenting opinions as being objectively in error.
Conclusion: You never learned about subjective vs. objective, and you never learned the difference between qualitative and quantitative.
Please explain it.
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
Please specify what "it" is.
subjective vs. objective, the difference between qualitative and quantitative.
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
I haven't observed you ever have a conversation with anyone. A conversation with you is like trying to have a conversation with a Magic 8-ball.
Because you are a hate troll.
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
subjective: a matter of opinion relative to an observer
objective: an empirical matter that is independent of any observer
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
Outlook good
If I see a tree, and a group of 15 people see the same tree, is that subjective?
ZenMode
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It does matter because studies consistently show that corporal punishment is supremely ineffective at changing behavior and actually creates worse behavior.
Nope. I just made the point that things like corporal punishment (aka beating kids with boards) and female genital mutilation are objectively immoral because of the experience of the child being beat with boards or the girl having his clitoris forcibly cut out.
That experience exists regardless of "race", religion, ethnicity, etc, so it's not reasonable to say that either action can be viewed as moral.
And yet I use both terms correctly. Weird.
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IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
The tree is empirical and objective.
Each individual's experience of the tree is subjective.
How tall is the tree? Objective
Isn't that a nice tree? Subjective
So if I see a tree and others see a tree, I am being objective. Correct?
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
Nope. It doesn't matter.
It is irrelevant what erroneous and invalid studies consistently show.
... except when it is completely effective.
... when discussing a subjective issue. Brilliant.
Your opinion is still not objective truth.
... and not because of the success in correctly modifying behavior. Did it ever occur to you that the negative experience is what modifies the behavior?
There used to be a Schick Center in California that was the most successful anywhere in getting people to quit smoking. It used entirely negative reinforcement, and it worked, better than anything else. Your premise that negative reinforcement is somehow ineffective is what chops your assertion off at the knees ... well, that and your insistence that your subjective opinion is somehow objective truth.
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
You are being vague and obtuse. Is the subject your activity and perception, or is the subject the tree, independent of whether or not it is seen?
If I see a tree, is that subjective?
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
I just explained to you the conflation error you are making. Are you too stupid to learn?
Writing insults is not having a discussion. This is YOUR problem.
ZenMode
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Well, I could pull a "you" and claim things with no support.
Link?
The experience of a child who's being beat with a board or having their clitoris cut out has nothing to do with my opinion of morality.
Do you personally believe that female genital mutilation is immoral? If so, why?
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
Great. Either fix your question so it can be answered or we can just move on.