Everyone understands that Socialism is not Communism, right?
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Valentino
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Socialism is the precursor to communism.
Or co-operatism, that is my choice, where workers own the businesses.
False, Denmark has had socialism for 100 years, its not communism.
In fact the USA has had elements of Socialism for a very long time. Not Communist.
Valentino
The Man - The Myth
Precursor does not mean that the secondary will always occur.
precursor
/ˈprēˌkərsər/
A precursor is something or someone that comes before another thing, especially if it leads to, influences, or develops into that later thing.
The word comes from the Latin praecursor, meaning "to run before".
QP!
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Right.
So calling it a precursor is useless here as what you are saying is 'Socialism MAY OR MAY NOT lead to communism'.
Well guess what Democracy and other forms of government may or may not lead to Fascism or Dictatorships or even Socialism depending on how a society changes are not. They are all meaningless statements. they are not even guesses about where one thinks things are going and are just statements that they do not preclude that future path as a possibility.
Valentino
The Man - The Myth
- Marxist Theory: In classical Marxism, socialism is defined as the lower stage of communist development, making it the necessary and highest-probability transitional phase toward a classless, stateless, and moneyless communist society.
QP!
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Yes there is the POSSIBILITY of that path which in no way means one is the outcome of the other so really all you are saying is "MAYBE????" in the way MAYBE??? Democracy coopted by corporate interests is a core precursor to fascism.
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QP!
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The Diverse Paths to Fascism
While corporate capture significantly weakens democratic resilience, experts emphasize that fascism typically requires multiple interlocking drivers to take root:
Summary
Co-opting democratic institutions to serve corporate interests is a potent enabler of fascism because it leaves the public feeling powerless and economically vulnerable. However, political scientists usually argue that a fascist takeover is rarely caused by corporate influence alone. It is the toxic intersection of that corporate capture with intense social division, economic despair, and aggressive nationalism that ultimately allows fascism to succeed. [1, 2, 3, 4]
While corporate capture significantly weakens democratic resilience, experts emphasize that fascism typically requires multiple interlocking drivers to take root:
| Driver | Description |
|---|---|
| Severe Economic Crisis | Deep recessions, hyperinflation, or mass unemployment that leaves the population desperate for radical change. |
| Social and Cultural Anxiety | Intensive polarization, hyper-nationalism, and the "othering" or scapegoating of minority groups. |
| Weakened Democratic Institutions | The systemic degradation of the rule of law, attacks on a free press, and the erosion of civic education. |
| Charismatic Populist Leadership | Demagogues who present themselves as the "sole voice" of the forgotten people, promising swift order in exchange for absolute control. |
Summary
Co-opting democratic institutions to serve corporate interests is a potent enabler of fascism because it leaves the public feeling powerless and economically vulnerable. However, political scientists usually argue that a fascist takeover is rarely caused by corporate influence alone. It is the toxic intersection of that corporate capture with intense social division, economic despair, and aggressive nationalism that ultimately allows fascism to succeed. [1, 2, 3, 4]
QP!
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Anyone recognize the above ^^^ as happening in any country they know?
Almost as if some puppet masters behind the scenes want all this hyper inflation and chaos and harm to America for some greater purpose.
Not saying Trump has this master plan. he does want to be a fascist dictator, more than all else, but i think he is too dumb to understand the entire plan to get there and instead is convinced by the puppet masters that 'tariffs are good... pushing interest rates to 0 is good, etc' ... all the things that erode the US economy and cause hyper inflation, while then his natural tendency to blame 'others' will do the rest, while America burns.
Almost as if some puppet masters behind the scenes want all this hyper inflation and chaos and harm to America for some greater purpose.
Not saying Trump has this master plan. he does want to be a fascist dictator, more than all else, but i think he is too dumb to understand the entire plan to get there and instead is convinced by the puppet masters that 'tariffs are good... pushing interest rates to 0 is good, etc' ... all the things that erode the US economy and cause hyper inflation, while then his natural tendency to blame 'others' will do the rest, while America burns.
Ok. What nation was socialist before becoming Communist?
Valentino
The Man - The Myth
None
Valentino
The Man - The Myth
I take that back
Name a nation that started socialist and later fell into communism?
North Korea (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea) is a nation that began as a socialist state and later adopted a distinct communist ideology. Established as a socialist state in 1948, it transitioned to a communist system in 1972, remaining under communist leadership today. Other nations...
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