"2020 Census Will Ask About Respondents' Citizenship Status"

Nordberg said:
PP try harder. The census is supposed to count all PERSONS. Do you think those who are waiting to become citizens, not persons? Are those brought over like DACA kids, not persons? Are those here illegally to work, not persons? If you want your bigoted hateful opinion to be law, then change the census requirements. Until then, the census should do the job, as mandated,
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screw California counting people from other countries like citizens who need representation by lib'rul congressmen.......the census can count anyone they want.....just let us know how many should NOT be counted as demmycrat voters......
 
J Craft said:
Quite a bit different. As you say, they were already citizens, so the detainment of them was abusive as it was unconditional.

I think the form asking the question regarding citizen or non- citizen is valid. Especially in light of our lax enforcement of immigration and the abuse of our laws by illegals.
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Which doesn't change that if I were illegal I'd either not answer at all or lie, and for the reasons I previously supplied.
 
J Craft said:
It also creates an address in a database where either no one apparently lives (if they don't fill it out), or where a non citizen lives (if they are honest) or, if they lie- it will likely be easy to determine. Addresses can be cross referenced to voter registration.
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Actually they cannot, not following current laws. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean they are safe in either way as that data was used by the government to send Americans to internment camps in the past.
 
Ralph said:
Apple/orange? Really? Its a simple thing.....just show us the law that makes it ILLEGAL? Its called precedent. And to mention SEPARATE/SEGREGATE PEOPLE by sex, race...etc.? What are you doing now? You are attempting to segregate (wink, wink) certain individuals from the others in the US by declaring them SPECIAL because of how they may or may not address the valid question? How many US CITIZENS are actually in the United States of America. And just how was the people separated by that question in 1950? The government does not possess the right to actually count US CITIZENS...but you have the right to separate ILLEGAL ALIENS by omitting certain questions that no US CITIZEN would find problematic?

FYI: If the question was indeed ILLEGAL why was it used in other US GOVERMENT questioner forms......all the way up to 2010?
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The government has a mandate to count EVERY PERSON, Ralphie. With this obviously transparent tactic, they right wishes to over represent white and under represent minorities and non-citizens. Only the willfully ignorant can't see that. But you have yet to meet that standard.
 
Damocles said:
Which doesn't change that if I were illegal I'd either not answer at all or lie, and for the reasons I previously supplied.
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If they don’t answer, then they won’t be counted, which is good. If they lie, then that address can be cross referenced to other information of residents at that address. That would likely lead to their lie being found out, which is also good.
 
Damocles said:
Actually they cannot, not following current laws. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean they are safe in either way as that data was used by the government to send Americans to internment camps in the past.
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Agencies are allowed to share information.
[h=3]Statutory Authority for the Census[/h][FONT=&quot]Title 13 of the US Code regulates the structure of the census and its uses by the government and private entities. 13 USC § 6 authorizes the Census Bureau to acquire data from other agencies instead of conducting direct inquiries. Each agency can then share information, rather than recollecting it. This allows the Census Bureau to receive certain information from agencies like the Social Security Administration or the Internal Revenue Service.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Title 13 USC § 9 regulates privacy of information collected in the Census. Section 9 requires information gathered by the Bureau be kept confidential and be used exclusively for statistical purposes. The statute provides penalties for employees who willfully disclose such information illegally. Part A of Section 9 expressly restricts the Census Bureau from: 1) using the information for any purpose other than statistics, 2) making any publication allowing any individual to be identified or 3) permitting any unauthorized person to examine the census reports. Only authorized people may have Official Copies of the census reports. Even in the case of litigation, census reports are restricted from legal evidence.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Under federal law, individuals can be fined for not completing census questionnaires. Section 221 requires a fine when an individual does not fill out the form, as well as a fine for providing false information. Several cases in the 1960s confirmed that a penalty would be enforced in instances of incomplete questionnaires or lack of response. U.S. v. Richenbackerheld that even if social scientists find the questionnaires to be larger than necessary, the enforcement of fines is constitutional. However, fines for non-completion have not been levied in recent years.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Part C of Section 221 does make it illegal for the government to ask questions regarding religion on the census form. Even with the restrictions dictated in Title 13, problems still exist when determining between authorized use and appropriate use. The standard is left to the judgment of agencies, which then weigh the costs and benefits of restricting census information.[/FONT]

  • Dunne, Timothy. Issues in the Establishment and Management of Secure Research Sites, Confidentiality, Disclosure, and Data Access: Theory and Practical Application for Statistical Agencies (Doyle, Lane, Theeuwes, Zayatz, eds., NY: North-Holland 2001)
  • US v. Richenbacker, 309 F.2d 462 (1962).
  • US. v. Sharrow, 309 F.2d 77 (1962).
 
J Craft said:
If they don’t answer, then they won’t be counted, which is good. If they lie, then that address can be cross referenced to other information of residents at that address. That would likely lead to their lie being found out, which is also good.
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You want them counted because it means more House members, electoral votes, and funding; especially those states in the South and West that have the most illegal immigrants and are growing the fastest.
 
Flash said:
You want them counted because it means more House members, electoral votes, and funding; especially those states in the South and West that have the most illegal immigrants and are growing the fastest.
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Want is irrelevant. The job is to count all persons. Person is a general term that does not break down according to color or status.
 
The primary reason to identify US citizens for federal election purposes is for representation from their state of residency. Other census data is used for a multiplicity of reasons. Government agencies can and do share census data. Knowing who actual (lawful) citizens vs non-citizens are is a valid Constitutional rational for asking the citizenship question.
 
J Craft said:
The primary reason to identify US citizens for federal election purposes is for representation from their state of residency. Other census data is used for a multiplicity of reasons. Government agencies can and do share census data. Knowing who actual (lawful) citizens vs non-citizens are is a valid Constitutional rational for asking the citizenship question.
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Census is not permitted to share data. It is only to be used for statistical purposes. there was a huge conflict when they di it in the jailing of Japanese citizens in WW2.
 
Nordberg said:
Census is not permitted to share data. It is only to be used for statistical purposes. there was a huge conflict when they di it in the jailing of Japanese citizens in WW2.
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This is how the reads-

Agencies are allowed to share information.
Statutory Authority for the Census

Title 13 of the US Code regulates the structure of the census and its uses by the government and private entities. 13 USC § 6 authorizes the Census Bureau to acquire data from other agencies instead of conducting direct inquiries. Each agency can then share information, rather than recollecting it. This allows the Census Bureau to receive certain information from agencies like the Social Security Administration or the Internal Revenue Service.
Title 13 USC § 9 regulates privacy of information collected in the Census. Section 9 requires information gathered by the Bureau be kept confidential and be used exclusively for statistical purposes. The statute provides penalties for employees who willfully disclose such information illegally. Part A of Section 9 expressly restricts the Census Bureau from: 1) using the information for any purpose other than statistics, 2) making any publication allowing any individual to be identified or 3) permitting any unauthorized person to examine the census reports. Only authorized people may have Official Copies of the census reports. Even in the case of litigation, census reports are restricted from legal evidence.
Under federal law, individuals can be fined for not completing census questionnaires. Section 221 requires a fine when an individual does not fill out the form, as well as a fine for providing false information. Several cases in the 1960s confirmed that a penalty would be enforced in instances of incomplete questionnaires or lack of response. U.S. v. Richenbackerheld that even if social scientists find the questionnaires to be larger than necessary, the enforcement of fines is constitutional. However, fines for non-completion have not been levied in recent years.
Part C of Section 221 does make it illegal for the government to ask questions regarding religion on the census form. Even with the restrictions dictated in Title 13, problems still exist when determining between authorized use and appropriate use. The standard is left to the judgment of agencies, which then weigh the costs and benefits of restricting census information.


  • Dunne, Timothy. Issues in the Establishment and Management of Secure Research Sites, Confidentiality, Disclosure, and Data Access: Theory and Practical Application for Statistical Agencies (Doyle, Lane, Theeuwes, Zayatz, eds., NY: North-Holland 2001)
  • US v. Richenbacker, 309 F.2d 462 (1962).
  • US. v. Sharrow, 309 F.2d 77 (1962).
 
Nordberg said:
Want is irrelevant. The job is to count all persons. Person is a general term that does not break down according to color or status.
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The funds part ais re not part of the constitutional census process but due to congressional legislation redistributing money to the states for various programs. They can even use statistical sampling for distributing funds to account for undercounted groups but not for the census which must an actual enumeration. But if states must provide certain services it is only natural those states want/need those funds--especially things like special ed programs which small, poor, school districts cannot provide alone.

That is what I have been saying--that all persons must be counted.
 
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