60% of Americans did not go to college.

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Hawkeye10 said:
THe great hope is the we can find enough minds that have not been hopelessly warped by the Failed Universities to save America.
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I wonder who has a better chance of designing a self driving car, a high school dropout, or a team of people with masters and PHD degrees from "failed universities"? A question for the ages.
 
Darth Omar said:
The only thing a college degree guarantees you is debt along the lines of a modest home mortgage and a predilection for progressive thought. Some bargain.

Hasn’t always been that way. If I was 18 I wouldn’t touch college with a ten foot pole unless I had a career path in an area where I’m at least going to have good degree of confidence I’d have a *good* job on the other side.

I’d give a hard look at learning a trade or maybe even the military.
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Moving up through the military requires a college degree. Without a college degree, you can not be a commissioned officer.
 
It's easier to belittle education than it is to actually earn a degree.

Ignorance is one level of inadequacy, but reveling in one's ignorance drags one down to trumpanzee level.
We have on this forum a gaggle of trumpanzees who use the site to proudly display their ignorance to the world.
They're our second biggest problem.

Our biggest problem are the moderately smarter contributors who nevertheless opine that tolerating the trumpanzees is the right thing to do.
If you think it's ok to share space with them, you're doomed to becoming one. If you insist that they're human, your own humanity will be rightfully questioned.
Purge, partition, or perish.
Those are the only choices.
If you're pondering other possibilities, you're wasting precious time.
 
BidenPresident said:
Interesting that people think the only purpose of education is job training.
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Very correct. A lot of people think that education is only for job training. But also that they should get the minimum education to qualify for a job.

A father of a friend of mine was fluent in Japanese(had a degree in Japanese), a plumber, and an electrician. He would import Japanese domestic plumbing and electrical parts, and install them in American houses. He made a very good living.

Steve Jobs studied font design, which no one thought would be useful for a computer programmer, but he proved them wrong.

More education comes in useful at random times.
 
Walt said:
Very correct. A lot of people think that education is only for job training. But also that they should get the minimum education to qualify for a job.

A father of a friend of mine was fluent in Japanese(had a degree in Japanese), a plumber, and an electrician. He would import Japanese domestic plumbing and electrical parts, and install them in American houses. He made a very good living.

Steve Jobs studied font design, which no one thought would be useful for a computer programmer, but he proved them wrong.

More education comes in useful at random times.
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Good point.
 
BidenPresident said:
All Trump supporters. We can do better.


source: In 2019, 39.4% of naturalized citizens and 40.2% of children of the foreign-born population in the United States had a bachelor’s degree or higher"
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/educational-attainment.html
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Biden voters got degrees in useless degrees and can't make enough income to pay their student loans. That's why they want their loans paid off by people who have real jobs, like me. :cool:
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We fucked up the raising of kids as we fucked up almost everything else....to a very large degree through lack of effort.

Just look at where America is.
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elitists stole their minds. we brainwashed them thru 12 years of high school
and then sent them to University where the Waco-nut PC Professors inculcate young minds
 
Walt said:
Very correct. A lot of people think that education is only for job training. But also that they should get the minimum education to qualify for a job.

A father of a friend of mine was fluent in Japanese(had a degree in Japanese), a plumber, and an electrician. He would import Japanese domestic plumbing and electrical parts, and install them in American houses. He made a very good living.

Steve Jobs studied font design, which no one thought would be useful for a computer programmer, but he proved them wrong.

More education comes in useful at random times.
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Steve Jobs dropped out of college. Bad move on his part not to graduate?
 
Arks&sparka said:
I think we're really better off than most people give us credit for. It's just this stupid people seem to get a lot of attention, mostly because they're so stupid.
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In a normal country stupid at the level we coddle it in America ends up dead because nature finds a way to kill it off. Here in the US there are those, mostly but not entirely on the Left, that find a way to circumvent natural selection and let stupidity breed unchecked. In fact, the Left celebrates stupidity and actually tries to make more of it. How else can one explain things like 'womyn's' or 'ethnic' studies in universities? As but two examples.

A normal society wouldn't let radical nutjobs protest in the streets for months all but unchecked. There was such a protest in Moscow just the other day. Thousands were arrested and the police made short work of the crowd. No coddling stupid there.

In fact, in America today the Left in particular, but not by any means solely, teaches people to be stupider than you can find in nature. That is, they actually have people study how to increase their stupidity. Now, that truly is a problem.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
I used to work in an Amazon warehouse. Literally everyday we had new people come in and people were fired for the most frivolous and unfair reasons. One coworker missed a day without calling in because her daughter was in a car crash. The daughter died later that night. Amazon fired her because she was a "no-call, no-show." She'd been there for two years and never missed a damn day. She was a hard worker who did her job and never complained. Another coworker was fired because his car wouldn't start (it was winter). Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos sells a $1 billion/yr in Amazon stocks to fund his space exploration hobby.
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I can't speak to anything pre-2015, but as of 2015 the systems at Amazon give warehouse employees 20 hours of Unpaid Time (UPT) a quarter, with it maxing out at 80 hours. If she never missed a day of work, and failed to clock in without contacting Amazon, they would begin deducting this UPT from her time. When it went negative, she would be automatically fired. That is two weeks of missing work without any communication.

It is all automated. At first looking at the system, it seemed fair and great. But over time I started seeing the unfairness of a system that is so automated. She could have contacted her supervisor, or HR, and gotten an exception... But that costs the supervisor, or HR's numbers. When she was fired, it would be her supervisor, and HR who might tell her, but it is the system that makes the decision. It is actually kind of tough for a supervisor to fire anyone. It is the computer system that gets to decide who is fired.

I forget what they call the employee facing system, but that is what you use to report absentees now. They are phasing out (or maybe by now have completely phased out) calling a phone number about absentees.
 
cawacko said:
Steve Jobs dropped out of college. Bad move on his part not to graduate?
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Jobs ran out of money, but still lived on campus. He went to classes that he was not registered for. A degree would have given him more opportunities to get jobs, but the education really helped him.

Now imagine Jobs having not gotten any college education. I doubt he would have achieved much.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
What we need is Biden and Congress to enact the same sort of labor laws and protections that exist in other developed nations. It really is sickening that most Americans can be fired for no reason with no warning, or that their salaries can be lowered with little or no warning.

I used to work in an Amazon warehouse. Literally everyday we had new people come in and people were fired for the most frivolous and unfair reasons. One coworker missed a day without calling in because her daughter was in a car crash. The daughter died later that night. Amazon fired her because she was a "no-call, no-show." She'd been there for two years and never missed a damn day. She was a hard worker who did her job and never complained. Another coworker was fired because his car wouldn't start (it was winter). Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos sells a $1 billion/yr in Amazon stocks to fund his space exploration hobby.

We need better laws in America to protect the little guy. It's really fucking disgusting how the Republicans fight the little guy.
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That does sound like Wal-Mart, pre-Amazon. They are notorious for their treatment of employees. "Associates"? HAH!
 
AProudLefty said:
Billionaires can always resume their college educations. ;)
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Anyone can. And learning is a lifelong thing, it isn’t restricted to a college classroom. Especially today with all that is offered online. You can take college courses online for free. Parents pay $70K/yr for their kids to go to school for the experience and connections/networks it brings and delivers. And in reality it’s a big virtue signal to employers. It’s why college prices continue to rise at the rapid pace they are, parents with money are willing to pay it. At a certain price point there might be push back but probably not for the top schools.
 
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