Ahmaud Arbery shooting

He was unarmed.

Who told you that?


"According to an incident report filed by Glynn County police, Arbery was shot after two men spotted him running in their neighborhood on a Sunday afternoon. Gregory McMichael told police that he and his adult son thought the runner matched the description of someone caught on a security camera committing a recent break-in in the neighborhood. They armed themselves with guns before getting in a truck to pursue him.

The father said his son, Travis McMichael, got out of the truck holding a shotgun, and Arbery "began to violently attack." He said Arbery was shot as the two men fought over the shotgun, according to the police report.

After Arbery was shot, the police report says, Gregory McMichael turned him onto his back to see if he was armed. The report doesn't say whether he had a weapon".
 
I'm not going to debate the merits of that case, there is no point. I think had they charged Zimmerman with manslaughter they might have had a chance, but that's a digression. My point is that if there was video in that case, it would have been much easier to determine what happened. In this case, the video leaves little doubt as to who is telling the truth.

I do not in any way support or defend what these two idiots did and I agree that they need to be in jail,

But lumping the Zimmerman case together with this one is just as stupid and ill-informed as idiots like Legina Lesion defending the two jugheads in this case.

Zimmerman was defending himself.

It was proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a live, nationally televised trial that I watched every minute of from gavel to gavel.

Whether or not Zimmerman was charged with 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree (manslaughter) murder, would have made zero difference in the outcome because of the obviousness of the evidence.

Anyone who cannot or will not see that is either ignorant of the facts of the case or too blindly prejudiced to see them clearly.
 
Agreed, they should be in jail.

The fact that they are "genetic defectives" is why the Democrat Party ... will never again win a national election without a Black candidate. :dunno:

I never mentioned race or their political beliefs. The public photos of the father and son are of a couple of Bunbas.
 
I do not in any way support or defend what these two idiots did and I agree that they need to be in jail,

But lumping the Zimmerman case together with this one is just as stupid and ill-informed as idiots like Legina Lesion defending the two jugheads in this case.

Zimmerman was defending himself.

It was proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a live, nationally televised trial that I watched every minute of from gavel to gavel.

Whether or not Zimmerman was charged with 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree (manslaughter) murder, would have made zero difference in the outcome because of the obviousness of the evidence.

Anyone who cannot or will not see that is either ignorant of the facts of the case or too blindly prejudiced to see them clearly.

We will agree to disagree.
 
The shooting occurred Feb. 23, and self-defense is not a crime in Georgia. A grand jury will make a decision based on evidence, not emotion.

16-3-21:

A person is justified in threatening or using force against another when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes that such threat or force is necessary too defend himself or herself or a third person against such other's imminent use of unlawful force.

except as provided in Code Section 16-3-23 , a person is justified in using force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(b) A person is not justified in using force under the circumstances specified in subsection (a) of this Code section if he:

(1) Initially provokes the use of force against himself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant;

(2) Is attempting to commit, committing, or fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony; or

(3) Was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement unless he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his intent to do so and the other, notwithstanding, continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force.

(c) Any rule, regulation, or policy of any agency of the state or any ordinance, resolution, rule, regulation, or policy of any county, municipality, or other political subdivision of the state which is in conflict with this Code section shall be null, void, and of no force and effect.

(d) In a prosecution for murder or manslaughter, if a defendant raises as a defense a justification provided by subsection (a) of this Code section, the defendant, in order to establish the defendant's reasonable belief that the use of force or deadly force was immediately necessary, may be permitted to offer:

(1) Relevant evidence that the defendant had been the victim of acts of family violence or child abuse committed by the deceased, as such acts are described in Code Sections 19-13-1 and 19-15-1 , respectively; and

(2) Relevant expert testimony regarding the condition of the mind of the defendant at the time of the offense, including those relevant facts and circumstances relating to the family violence or child abuse that are the bases of the expert's opinion.


https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-16-crimes-and-offenses/ga-code-sect-16-3-21.html

LOL You idiot Lesion. It was self defense for the young man to defend himself when assaulted by two strangers bearing shotguns. You moron!
 
Concart
“Killing an unarmed man is a crime.”

No it isn’t.

If you are attacked by an unarmed man and fear for your life, you are justified in defending your life, with deadly force.
 
Unless he was naked, it woukd be impossible to know whether he was armed or not before the fact. Try thinking for a change.

WTF are you talking about? He couldn't very well have thrown the gun away, because, you know, he was dead. Stop being obtuse. He was unarmed.
 
He was a former investigator for the court. Since he’s not a law enforcement officer at the time he has no legal right whatsoever to assault a civilian with a deadly weapon. Not to mention his son, who did the shooting, has not worked for law enforcement. Also since they were the aggressors a self defense or stand your ground defense doesn’t hold water.

The right of citizens arrest exists in Georgia law, as does the right of self defense, including the use of justifiable deadly force.

In the dash-cam video, it appears that the deceased did in fact attack one of the men in question; hence, it can be argued that they were not the "aggressors".

Under Georgia law, “a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.”


https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-17-criminal-procedure/chapter-4-arrest-of-persons/article-4-arrest-by-private-persons/section-17-4-60-grounds-for-arrest

Whether or not there is a recording from the surveillance camera mentioned in the report has yet to be established. IMO if that recording exists and can be introduced in evidence, it might go a long way toward justifying the two men's attempt to apprehend the deceased.
 
In pretty much any civilized nation anywhere the two genetic defectives involved in this shooting would be in jail awaiting trial. In a case strikingly similar to the Zimmerman case a young man jogging was confronted, shot and killed by these two Bubbas.

There’s even a cell phone recording of the killing. What has many outraged is why aren’t the McMichael father and son in jail waiting trial for murder. I would also like to know how the he’ll anyone could argue a stand your ground case or even self defense when it’s obvious that the six toed duo were the aggressors here?

It also makes me wonder if McMichael Jr. will replace Zimmerman as Grinds new stud muffin?

https://abc13.com/man-jogging-georgia-shooting-arbery-in/6156175/

Watching the video, I saw a black guy in a white T shirt running towards a pickup truck and then attacking a guy holding a shotgun. What did you see?
 
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