Archaeology of the New Testament

[Cypress]

Nope. You have to simply be a rational adult. The name Yeshua and Ya'akov were common names. If I were to tell you that I located a man named James with a brother named Steve, would that narrow it down to only one possibility?


You just explained why it's the wrong Yeshua.

The family geneologies in the New Testament virtually never mention the brothers, and even when they do they are never actually named.

The most reasonable explanation for James' brother Jesus to be named on the ossuary inscription is if there was something truly noteworthy about him.

 

[IBDaMann]

All we know about the birth of Jesus is ....

There is nothing that we know. There is only what you strongly believe.

 

[IBDaMann]

The family geneologies in the New Testament virtually never mention the brothers, and even when they do they are never actually named.

OK, so the bone box isn't authentic. That was quick.

 

[Into the Night]

You destroy your own argument by using the wrong words.

Let's ask @Into the Night and @gfm7175 about this. I want to get their input. If, hypothetically, humanity were to determine beyond any doubt, that God exists, but is strictly supernatural, wouldn't God nonetheless still be real?

Yes.

You destroy your own argument by using the wrong words.

The universe is a random dust cloud. There are no dependencies that you can apply. It is not "finely tuned." There is no test of randomness that the universe fails. You are your argument's worst enemy.

It's buzzwords. Not as bad as Robert, but still just the same.

That's where you should be looking! (hint, hint)

Cyborg denies the Bible, but claims to be a Christian. Most of what he discards is the Old Testament, but significant portions of the New Testament as well.

He thinks the Universe is some kind of Magick mathematical equation.

He denies random number mathematics. As you have also mentioned, the Universe is just a random dust cloud. It is a perfect randR generator, since the Universe has no known boundary and is just a random dust cloud (infinitely random).

He thinks something can exist outside the Universe, ignoring what the 'uni-' prefix actually means.

He thinks the Universe was somehow created by this 'outside' event, even though the Universe has no 'outside'.

He has even gone so far as to equate the Earth and the Universe as the same thing.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Luke was not a companion of Jesus, he was just recording what witnesses and people associated with Jesus' ministry were telling him. He undoubtedly got some stories and details wrong, particularly about the census.

All we know about the birth of Jesus is that it must have been shortly before 4 BC, because King Herod was supposed to be alive when he was born.

Jesus was born on christimas. year one.

wtf is wrong you people?

 

[Ichabod Stain]

There are various targets for my atheism. I'm a certain, 99.999999999% certain, that all of the gods made up by superstitious, ignorant men are fake. Fairytales. Fiction.

The question of how the universe came into existence is different, but is completely separate from the stories written by men who sacrificed animals to change the weather.

Jesus' main rule, the golden rule, was about morality, not the beginning of the universe or placating tyrant wheat gods.

to placate the human blood lust, he fed into the paradigm.

"ok, ok ok, consider me the Last sacrifice then, you dummies"

"here, have a wine, call it my blood if you need to, sick freaks. now that I have you here, could you please treat each other better?"

"thanks in advance for your compliance in this matter".

real Christianity is a spiritual and social revolution, unique in the world of men.

 

[IBDaMann]

Jesus was born on christimas. year one.

How did they know it was year 0 during year 0?

 

[Ichabod Stain]

How did they know it was year 0 during year 0?

they saw it in a vision, dontcha know.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That still makes you agnostic.

Just because you don't want to believe in a supernatural guy with a white beard and robe, and just because the religions of the world might have erroneous interpretations of God, you are still leaving open the possibility that some kind of higher rational agency was the cause of a rational and lawfully organized universe.

Agreed. Even Richard Dawkins balked being a full atheist on his own belief scale. We don't know. Anyone who declares they do know is irrational since it's a matter of belief, not fact.

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

Atheists believe in the biggest miracle of all. That a mathematically rational, lawfully organized, finely tuned universe popped into existence out of nothing by pure chance.

Protestants specifically rejected the doctrine of transmutation.

Christianity as a whole does not boil down in essence to crackers. You are just selectivity complaining about the parts you don't like.

Ritual practice and belief is a big part of all of our lives. Everytime you perform a toast at a wedding or blow out birthday candles you are participating in a ritual belief.

So we are in agreement that all Christians are not required to believe everything in the Bible is literally true.

Frankly, I can't see how anyone could treat the entire Bible as literal historical biography and scientific reporting. That what makes you unexpectedly extremely similar to fundamentalist Pentecostals and Southern Baptists.

Organized Religion has you in Spiritual Babel!
Christianity is a personal relationship with Christ through the Holy Spirit! Anything beyond that is trivial!

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

The family geneologies in the New Testament virtually never mention the brothers, and even when they do they are never actually named.

The most reasonable explanation for James' brother Jesus to be named on the ossuary inscription is if there was something truly noteworthy about him.

 

[Cypress]

View attachment 84166

That's not a genealogy. That's narrative verse.

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"The New Testament includes two genealogies of Jesus of Nazareth, one in Matthew 1:1-17, and another in Luke 3:23-38."

The Genealogies of Jesus - Shepherds Theological Seminary

The New Testament includes two genealogies of Jesus of Nazareth, one in Matthew 1:1-17, and another in Luke 3:23-38. Although the modern reader may find these lists of names less than scintillating, they are in fact supremely important to the argument of the New Testament concerning the person...

shepherds.edu

 

[Cypress]

The universe is a random dust cloud!!!

 

[Cypress]

Agreed. Even Richard Dawkins balked being a full atheist on his own belief scale. We don't know. Anyone who declares they do know is irrational since it's a matter of belief, not fact.

You're right. I've heard Dawkins say it's not unreasonable to believe in some kind Jeffersonian diestic version of a creator.

 

[ZenMode]

Jesus was born on christimas. year one.

wtf is wrong you people?

No he wasn't.

 

[Into the Night]

Jesus was born on christimas. year one.

wtf is wrong you people?

Year zero.
Also, information in the Bible indicates he was born during tax season and lambing season, both of which occur in the spring.

But you can certainly celebrate on Christmas day like you always do.

 

[Into the Night]

Jesus' main rule, the golden rule, was about morality,

A good rule to follow, but it is not the entirety of the gospel.

It does not explain how Earth came to be or why it happened at all.
It does not explain why Adam was given the choice to bring death into the world, and with it, the knowledge of good and evil.
It does not explain why Jesus Christ came to Earth, suffered all the sins of the world, and was resurrected, thus paying the price of justice that you could next pay yourself.
It does not explain why there were sacrifices in the Old Testament, and why it was replaced by the sacrament in the New Testament.
It does not explain why the Great Flood occurred.
It does not explain why the Hebrews suffered as they did under the heel of Egypt, how they were set free, or why Jesus was born a Jew.
It does not explain anything found in Revelations.
It does not explain why Satan was set free upon this world to tempt Man.

not the beginning of the universe or placating tyrant wheat gods.

Now you deny God? God created wheat.

to placate the human blood lust, he fed into the paradigm.

"ok, ok ok, consider me the Last sacrifice then, you dummies"

He is not the last sacrifice. Any soldier will tell you that! Any successful businessman will tell you that!

"here, have a wine, call it my blood if you need to, sick freaks. now that I have you here, could you please treat each other better?"

Denying the sacrament now? Did you know Jesus implemented the sacrament to replace sacrifice at the Last Supper?

"thanks in advance for your compliance in this matter".

real Christianity is a spiritual and social revolution, unique in the world of men.

True Scotsman fallacy. After denying God, denying the Bible, and denying the Gospel, YOUR certainly one to talk!

 

[Ichabod Stain]

A good rule to follow, but it is not the entirety of the gospel.

It does not explain how Earth came to be or why it happened at all.
It does not explain why Adam was given the choice to bring death into the world, and with it, the knowledge of good and evil.
It does not explain why Jesus Christ came to Earth, suffered all the sins of the world, and was resurrected, thus paying the price of justice that you could next pay yourself.
It does not explain why there were sacrifices in the Old Testament, and why it was replaced by the sacrament in the New Testament.
It does not explain why the Great Flood occurred.
It does not explain why the Hebrews suffered as they did under the heel of Egypt, how they were set free, or why Jesus was born a Jew.
It does not explain anything found in Revelations.
It does not explain why Satan was set free upon this world to tempt Man.


Now you deny God? God created wheat.

He is not the last sacrifice. Any soldier will tell you that! Any successful businessman will tell you that!

Denying the sacrament now? Did you know Jesus implemented the sacrament to replace sacrifice at the Last Supper?

True Scotsman fallacy. After denying God, denying the Bible, and denying the Gospel, YOUR certainly one to talk!

you're a fucking idiot.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

A good rule to follow, but it is not the entirety of the gospel.

It does not explain how Earth came to be or why it happened at all.
It does not explain why Adam was given the choice to bring death into the world, and with it, the knowledge of good and evil.
It does not explain why Jesus Christ came to Earth, suffered all the sins of the world, and was resurrected, thus paying the price of justice that you could next pay yourself.
It does not explain why there were sacrifices in the Old Testament, and why it was replaced by the sacrament in the New Testament.
It does not explain why the Great Flood occurred.
It does not explain why the Hebrews suffered as they did under the heel of Egypt, how they were set free, or why Jesus was born a Jew.
It does not explain anything found in Revelations.
It does not explain why Satan was set free upon this world to tempt Man.


Now you deny God? God created wheat.

He is not the last sacrifice. Any soldier will tell you that! Any successful businessman will tell you that!

Denying the sacrament now? Did you know Jesus implemented the sacrament to replace sacrifice at the Last Supper?

True Scotsman fallacy. After denying God, denying the Bible, and denying the Gospel, YOUR certainly one to talk!

you're a fucking idiot.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

No he wasn't.

makes no difference.

religion is not science.

its about morality.