Archaeology of the New Testament

[Into the Night]

luckily the point of religion is to create high trust thriving societies.

Jesus encapsulated that perfectly in his golden rule.

the golden rule is the proper take-away from Christianity.

any other takeaway is probably a Zionist malignancy.

Fixation. There is a lot more to Christianity than just the Golden Rule.
I have already provided a list of some of it, as documented in the Bible, which you reject.

 

[Into the Night]

it happens.

it depends on environment.

So...no equation, eh?
Didn't think so.

You cannot increase and decrease variance at the same time. You are attempting to set aside the Theory of Natural Selection for some kind of exception or sequence. That falsifies it right there.

 

[Into the Night]

Disagreed but if you want to believe the Garden of Eden was in the US, I think the MAGAts would agree with you.

MAGAts is not a word, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

I remember a George Carlin bit about being in Catholic school and asking the Priest/teacher difficult questions and getting the answer "Well, it's a mystery". That's the same answer ardent atheists are giving about the Big Bang. LOL

Atheism is not religion, Sybil. The Church of the Big Bang is a fundamentalist style religion.

 

[Into the Night]

HaHa!
Yeah, but they say "we don't know," but then they clearly insinuate that they know with 100 percent confidence that a rational and material universe was somehow caused by the irrational, inanimate, and immaterial.

Agnostics at least recognize we don't know whether or not there is some higher rational agency, or whether everything is somehow just an inanimate random chance accident.

How do you know the Universe was created at all, Cyborg.
The Universe is just a random dust cloud. No agency required. No mathematics required. It is a perfect randR generator, since it has no known boundary.

 

[Into the Night]

I always think if you make atheists take the logical conclusions of their worldview seriously, they start moonwalking backwards towards a marginally more agnostic position.

Atheism doesn't have to 'moonwalk' back anywhere. It is simply no religion. It doesn't claim any religion. It doesn't claim whether any god or gods exist or not and it doesn't care.

The religious fundamentalists are hopeless, they are stuck in a paradigm of fundamentalism.

By definition. All religions are based on some initial circular argument, also know as the Argument of Faith. ALL other arguments stem from that initial circular argument, by itself is not a fallacy.

Attempting to PROVE a circular argument True creates the Circular Argument fallacy. It is not possible to prove any circular argument True or False.
This is what a fundamentalist does.

A fundmantalist style religion is one where it's adherents tend to attempt to prove their religion True.

Fundamentalism can occur in Christianity, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of No God, Islam, the Church of Evolution, the Church of the Big Bang, the Church of Creation, the Church of Abiogenes, or any other religion.

Most such adherents are reduced to mindlessly chanting some fixation, in an effort to try to prove their religion True.

This is YOU, Cyborg. It is also Ichabod Stain (the current name of NoName), and ZenMode (the Void).

You and NoName think you believe in some form of Christianity, but you deny and discard the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Both of you are reduced to mindless chanting.

ZenMode belongs to the Church of No God, but at some level is a Christian (contradictory I know, but this guy is a strange one).

 

[Ichabod Stain]

So what is the equation, NoName?

You cannot both increase and decrease variation at the same time. You are being irrational.

So...no equation, eh?
Didn't think so.

You cannot increase and decrease variance at the same time. You are attempting to set aside the Theory of Natural Selection for some kind of exception or sequence. That falsifies it right there.

it can happen.

lets say there's a stable population of a creature that gets separated into two different environments.

an environment where life is easy favors staying the same.

an environment where life is hard can favor variations which differ from the population in general because that variation conferred an advantage.


this can happen at the same time, with same base population.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Atheism doesn't have to 'moonwalk' back anywhere. It is simply no religion. It doesn't claim any religion. It doesn't claim whether any god or gods exist or not and it doesn't care.

By definition. All religions are based on some initial circular argument, also know as the Argument of Faith. ALL other arguments stem from that initial circular argument, by itself is not a fallacy.

Attempting to PROVE a circular argument True creates the Circular Argument fallacy. It is not possible to prove any circular argument True or False.
This is what a fundamentalist does.

A fundmantalist style religion is one where it's adherents tend to attempt to prove their religion True.

Fundamentalism can occur in Christianity, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of No God, Islam, the Church of Evolution, the Church of the Big Bang, the Church of Creation, the Church of Abiogenes, or any other religion.

Most such adherents are reduced to mindlessly chanting some fixation, in an effort to try to prove their religion True.

This is YOU, Cyborg. It is also Ichabod Stain (the current name of NoName), and ZenMode (the Void).

You and NoName think you believe in some form of Christianity, but you deny and discard the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Both of you are reduced to mindless chanting.

ZenMode belongs to the Church of No God, but at some level is a Christian (contradictory I know, but this guy is a strange one).

you're dumbest piece of shit on the thread.


Jesus himself said the golden rule is the takeaway from christianity in saying it's the "sum of the law and the prophets."

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Im the only true christian here , but guess what, i forgive the rest of you, you know not what you are doing.

 

[Into the Night]

it can happen.

lets say there's a stable population of a creature that gets separated into two different environments.

an environment where life is easy favors staying the same.

So...no selection, and no variance. The Theory of Natural Selection is therefore falsified.

an environment where life is hard can favor variations which differ from the population in general because that variation conferred an advantage.

So...you suspend the Theory of Natural Selection to produce a variance to later select from and eliminate variance. That also falsifies the Theory of Natural Selection. You cannot impose a sequence. You cannot suspend the theory for even a microsecond.

this can happen at the same time, with same base population.

You cannot increase and decrease variance at the same time, NoName. You are being irrational.

 

[Into the Night]

you're dumbest piece of shit on the thread.

Mantra 1a. Lame.

Jesus himself said the golden rule is the takeaway from christianity in saying it's the "sum of the law and the prophets."

Still trying to deny the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ, eh?

 

[Into the Night]

Im the only true christian here , but guess what, i forgive the rest of you, you know not what you are doing.

Since you deny and discard the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ and God, you are deluding yourself.
Illiteracy: Proper nouns are always capitalized. Missing question mark. Missing apostrophe. The first word of a sentence is always capitalized.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

So...no selection, and no variance. The Theory of Natural Selection is therefore falsified.

So...you suspend the Theory of Natural Selection to produce a variance to later select from and eliminate variance. That also falsifies the Theory of Natural Selection. You cannot impose a sequence. You cannot suspend the theory for even a microsecond.

You cannot increase and decrease variance at the same time, NoName. You are being irrational.

an easy environment is a selection, a selection for innate super stimulus traits of the genders.

ie. Africans with big dicks and tits.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Since you deny and discard the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ and God, you are deluding yourself.
Illiteracy: Proper nouns are always capitalized. Missing question mark. Missing apostrophe. The first word of a sentence is always capitalized.

I paid attention to what Jesus said was important.

the golden rule is the sum of the law and the prophets.

you turn a deaf ear to jesus.

 

[gfm7175]

You destroy your own argument by using the wrong words.

Let's ask @Into the Night and @gfm7175 about this. I want to get their input. If, hypothetically, humanity were to determine beyond any doubt, that God exists, but is strictly supernatural, wouldn't God nonetheless still be real?

Yes.

You destroy your own argument by using the wrong words.

The universe is a random dust cloud. There are no dependencies that you can apply. It is not "finely tuned." There is no test of randomness that the universe fails. You are your argument's worst enemy.

I'm not sure what Crypress is trying to say there.

That's where you should be looking! (hint, hint)

Exactly.

It seems like Crypress is trying to make pro-Christian arguments (poor ones), yet he regularly denies the Bible. It's rather interesting to watch.

 

[gfm7175]

Disagreed but if you want to believe the Garden of Eden was in the US, I think the MAGAts would agree with you.

I see no reason to believe that the Garden of Eden was in the US.

 

[Cypress]

The universe is a random dust cloud!

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Yes.

I'm not sure what Crypress is trying to say there.

Exactly.

It seems like Crypress is trying to make pro-Christian arguments (poor ones), yet he regularly denies the Bible. It's rather interesting to watch.

he's trying to be a rational theocrat.

very tricky indeed.

 

[IBDaMann]

I'm not sure what Crypress is trying to say there.

Cypress insists, without explanation, that the random dust cloud you and I call the observable universe is nonetheless "well ordered." He ignores the information that the universe passes every test of randomness.

Cypress insists that the universe is finely tuned, without explaining for what, exactly. He tries to imply that the universe is finely tuned for "life" yet fails to explain why 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999+% of the universe is hostile to life.

It seems like Crypress is trying to make pro-Christian arguments (poor ones), yet he regularly denies the Bible. It's rather interesting to watch.

Let's put on our "Christianity" caps for a moment and assume a Christian God who has a master plan, which includes an individual plan for each of us. If that's all there were to it, we could expect all life to exist in a "well ordered" slaughter line for each of us to remain restricted to following our exact path until our deaths. But wait, such a well ordered world would preclude free will. Our Christianity caps tell us that we have free will, and that the observable universe isn't going to be regulating our choices any more than a free market. For that to happen, the universe would have to be random, with no dependencies that regulate our choices.

But then you pause and think, how would God be able to effect his plan in a random universe, and the answer is that it would be a really cool trick if He could pull it off. Then we notice that the observable universe really is a completely random dust cloud. Each Christian must evaluate his own free will situation, but if the conclusion is that one has free will, and that God has a master plan, then the completely random nature of the universe indicates that God pulled it off.

Jussayn.

 

[IBDaMann]

God created barley as well.
Man created beer.

Satan created strawberry-flavored beer.