Archaeology of the New Testament

[ZenMode]

UV radiation is necessary for Vitamin D production, cardiovascular health, mental health, photosynthesis.

Again, we are talking about a god/creator that had EVERY option at its disposal. He could have designed stars and the humans body differently, right?

There is nothing inherently evil about ultraviolet radiation.

Many types of cancer are ultimately traced to human activities, and our introduction of synthetic toxins into the environment.

The degradation of the protective ozone layer was caused by humans, not by providential design.

Explain why why it supports atheism to say we should be able to lounge out in the sun for extended periods?

Again, you're missing the point. Why would a god, who created a universe and planet SPECIFICALLY for one type of primate, design the universe, planet and primate in such a way that just existing outside is deadly?

Explain that.

Anyone who has actually had a college level cellular biology class marvels at the design, function, and irreducible complexity of cells, DNA, neurons.

Agree, but cells, DNA and neurons didn't HAVE to be the solution. A god, with ALL options at its disposal, could have designed everything in a way that DNA, cells and neurons never existed.

 

[Cypress]

Again, we are talking about a god/creator that had EVERY option at its disposal. He could have designed stars and the humans body differently, right?

Explain exactly what these options are, or this just becomes mental masturbation.

I am amazed and flabbergasted at the elegance and irreducible complexity of biology, cells, the entire biosphere and the cosmos itself.

So are many atheists themselves. You are an outlier.

Again, you're missing the point. Why would a god, who created a universe and planet SPECIFICALLY for one type of primate, design the universe, planet and primate in such a way that just existing outside is deadly?

Explain that.

Now you are revealing that what you're really angry about is Christianity. You're not really a detached and dispassionate free-thinking atheist. No Taoist, Buddhist, Pantheist ever claimed that this universe is supposed to be designed entirely for the benefit, convenience, and comfort of humans.

Agree, but cells, DNA and neurons didn't HAVE to be the solution. A god, with ALL options at its disposal, could have designed everything in a way that DNA, cells and neurons never existed.

Explain exactly what these options are, or this just becomes mental masturbation.

Again, we are talking about a god/creator that had EVERY option at its disposal. He could have designed stars and the humans body differently, right?

Again, you're missing the point. Why would a god, who created a universe and planet SPECIFICALLY for one type of primate, design the universe, planet and primate in such a way that just existing outside is deadly?

Explain that.

Agree, but cells, DNA and neurons didn't HAVE to be the solution. A god, with ALL options at its disposal, could have designed everything in a way that DNA, cells and neurons never existed.

None of your arguments are convincing, firstly because they are basically complaints about Christianity, and not a take down of religious belief as a whole.

But more importantly, your arguments aren't convincing because they are based on subjective opinion filtered through a lens of egocentric self-interest.

The fundamental flaw in your argument is an unspoken assumption that everything has to be beneficial and convenient for humans, and that we are entitled to have all serious risk removed from our life path.

I see nothing inherently evil, diabolical, flawed about black holes, UV radiation, volcanoes, floods. They may or may not benefit you personally (although I argue they do), but any serious student of science can explain why they are necessary for a biosphere, a living planet, or the overall net energy balance of the cosmos

 

[ZenMode]

Explain exactly what these options are, or this just becomes mental masturbation.

Anything. A god/creator would have every option available. The sun could have been designed to not radiate UV that causes cancer. Human skin could have been designed to inherently repel UV.

I am amazed and flabbergasted at the elegance and irreducible complexity of biology, cells, the entire biosphere and the cosmos itself.

Yep, it's pretty amazing.

So are many atheists themselves. You are an outlier.

Nope. I find it all very interesting and thought-provoking.

Now you are revealing that what you're really angry about is Christianity. You're not really a detached and dispassionate free-thinking atheist. No Taoist, Buddhist, Pantheist ever claimed that this universe is supposed to be designed entirely for the benefit, convenience, and comfort of humans.

Explain exactly what these options are, or this just becomes mental masturbation.

None of your arguments are convincing, firstly because they are basically complaints about Christianity, and not a take down of religious belief as a whole.

But more importantly, your arguments aren't convincing because they are based on subjective opinion filtered through a lens of egocentric self-interest.

The fundamental flaw in your argument is an unspoken assumption that everything has to be beneficial and convenient for humans, and that we are entitled to have all serious risk removed from our life path.

I see nothing inherently evil, diabolical, flawed about black holes, UV radiation, volcanoes, floods. They may or may not benefit you personally (although I argue they do), but any serious student of science can explain why they are necessary for a biosphere, a living planet, or the overall net energy balance of the cosmos

Nope... first you answer my question:

Again, you're missing the point. Why would a god, who created a universe and planet SPECIFICALLY for one type of primate, design the universe, planet and primate in such a way that just existing outside is deadly?

Explain that.

 

[Into the Night]

CalTech (California Institute of Technology):​

"The universe contains organized structures on all different scales, from small systems like the earth and our solar system, to galaxies that contain trillions of stars, and finally extremely large structures that contain billions of galaxies. How and why these organized structures formed and how they influence one another is a major focus of modern astrophysics."


https://cosmos.astro.caltech.edu/page/structure

The Universe is unorganized. Imagining organized structures in an unorganized Universe does not make it organized. Courtier's fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, they're either accidents (flaws) or intentional. You can pick.

YOU are doing the picking. YOU are doing the complaining.YOU are the one demanding perfection.

My opinion is based on reality.

Buzzword fallacy. Go learn what 'real' means.

Strawman.

Fallacy fallacy. YARP. No strawman fallacy occurred.

Not a coincidence that you focus on the least dangerous flaw.

YOU are doing the complaining. YOU are the one demanding perfection. You are not God.

No they aren't. When you have unlimited options, as your God would, there are other options. You're in denial.

The planet your god made may need those things, but there's no reason your god had to design any of this how it did.

How do you know? You are not God.

Nice deflection! A little victim blaming is great!

I never said they were.

DON'T TRY TO DENY YOUR OWN POSTS!

 

[Into the Night]

Which one is yours?

Irrelevance fallacy.

 

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

Irrelevance fallacy.

Deflection

 

[Into the Night]

Right, so what exactly sis you mean when you asked what humans had been around that long......meaning you are so uninform that you are lacking, among other things, in basic human evolutionary knowledge.

Your speculation is not knowledge, Void. It is mere speculation.

You don't know how long humans have been around.

 

[Into the Night]

Sounds complicated, Who controls all this?

He's posting random phrases.

 

[Into the Night]

The point is we don't exist on earth in a vacuum.

Earth is surrounded by a vacuum.

We are intimately connected to the cosmos and to the other planetary bodies.

No strings attached.

The laws of physics. What caused the laws of physics is a philosophical or theological question.

Man created the laws of physics.
Man created every theory of science.
Man created mathematics.

 

[ZenMode]

How do you know? You are not God.

That is @Cypress assertion. His god designed the universe from a micro level.

 

[Into the Night]

Omniscience? There are two options here. One is that you have no intellectual curiosity and have never in your life learned about the history of mankind. The other one is that you are just playing dumb with your question.

I'll let you decide which of those is true.

Omniscience fallacy. You don't know what happened several hundred thousand years ago.

 

[Into the Night]

Why, with INFINITE options at your disposal, would you include faults in the design of the planet that result in the deaths of millions of the very beings you designed the universe for?

Still demanding perfection? You are not God.

 

[Into the Night]

How about not designing the universe, Earth and man in a way that is literally deadly to man?

No one gets out of this life alive, Void. Who is to say what happens after death?

 

[ZenMode]

Your speculation is not knowledge, Void. It is mere speculation.

You don't know how long humans have been around.

Correct. So, all I can do is look at best available evidence. The two options are a) believing the opinion of people who have a scientific basis for their calculations or b) a book written by people who couldn't explain where the sun went at night and killed animals to change the weather.

I know which way you lean. I lean the other way.

 

[Into the Night]

If you can't even precisely and objectively describe what this flawless and perfect planet earth is supposed to look like, I'm going to conclude it doesn't realistically exist.

I do not accept your premise that we have to live in a flawless universe where everything is designed for the convenience and comfort of humans.

He is creating his own 'flaws', and declaring what he deems 'perfect' purely on his own demands. He apparently thinks he is God.

Almost all atheists I've met are awe-struck by the universe and the planet Earth, just like I am.

He is not an atheist. He is a fundamentalist in the Church of No God.

You are the only one I've run across who looks around at nature, the earth, the universe and sees diabolical flaws, mistakes, defects.

Because he can't see. He is quite blinded by his religion.

 

[Into the Night]

Anything. A god/creator would have every option available. The sun could have been designed to not radiate UV that causes cancer. Human skin could have been designed to inherently repel UV.

Human skin does protect itself from UV. Also, the atmosphere absorbs a lot of UV light.

Again, you're missing the point. Why would a god, who created a universe and planet SPECIFICALLY for one type of primate, design the universe, planet and primate in such a way that just existing outside is deadly?

Explain that.

Demanding God perform to YOUR 'perfection' won't work, Void.

 

[Into the Night]

Deflection

YARP. Fallacy fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

That is @Cypress assertion. His god designed the universe from a micro level.

Irrelevance fallacy. Answer the question put to you.

 

[Into the Night]

Correct. So, all I can do is look at best available evidence. The two options are a) believing the opinion of people who have a scientific basis for their calculations or b) a book written by people who couldn't explain where the sun went at night and killed animals to change the weather.

I know which way you lean. I lean the other way.

False dichotomy fallacy.

Science is not mathematics.
Science is completely atheistic. It does not care whether a god or gods exist or not.
Mathematics is completely atheistic. It does not care whether a god or gods exist or not.
Science is not religion. You cannot claim your religion is 'science'.

Mantra 40a.

Evasion. Answer the question put to you.