Are Newsmax, OANN, and Fox Media threats to American Democracy?

Not to contridict myself based on my previous response but I do think the polarization of how we get our news is not a good thing for the country. People sitting in their echo chambers 24/7 is no bueno. (you see it manifested on this site where people can barely have actual discussions with each other)

This may be a partisan rant but I'll say it anyway. First off, I fully acknowledge there is a right-wing echo chamber. I just find it highly ironic that people who read the NY Times, listen to NPR, watch MSNBC, watch Colbert, Kimmell, the Daily Show and SNL complaining about others living in an echo chamber while never acknowledging their own.
Well I feel it's a Citizens duty to read both or listen to both or watch both. I do. news nation is a Centrist source CNN has a lot of Republicans on it now they're trying to be in the center. MSNBC has several Republicans but they tend to caucus with the Democrats against Trump and I think it's appropriate because I can't believe any true Republican would support Trump -- the guy's a demagogue and the smart Republicans know it and those with integrity stand by their convictions. Things would really smooth out and return to normal when Trump vanishes from the scene-- until then the body politic is infested with Trumpism.
 
Trumpers constantly whine about how the “MSM” is pushing the narrative yet they are the most guilty of letting Fox News, Newsmax and OANN drive their own narrative.
Either you're not paying attention, a very poor liar or mentally deranged to believe that MSNBC, CNN, PBS, CBS, ABC and NBC are actually news sources and not an arm of the DNC propaganda machine.
 
They moved away three years, but we used to have neighbors who got their "news" exclusively from Fox. In fact, whenever we visited with them they were either watching Fox or the Hallmark Channel. The guy would occasionally make odd statements like "coal isn't harmful to the environment and is cheaper than natural gas," "illegals are swarming all of our borders" (their son works for the Border Patrol at the Canadian border), and so on. We tried to stay far away from politics with them, but one time Mr. Owl had had enough, I guess. The lady had gone back to Germany to visit her folks so we had him over for supper. He was going on and on about coal is good and cheaper than NG, so Mr. Owl hauled out his computer and showed him the actual data. He seemed almost shocked to discover that the opposite was true. He had really believed that the decommissioning of our local coal-burning electric generating facilities and the conversion to NG-power plants was some dastardly liberal plot, in league with those Green ppl.
Another massive pile of lie filled anecdotal bile. :palm:
 
Fox like many anti-American democracy sources lies to their audience. They are foreign owned and care nada for America. Excellent coverage in YouTube below.


"New evidence from a defamation lawsuit reveals Fox hosts and staff secretly viewed Trump’s election lies as "mind-blowingly nuts," "reckless" and "insane" while promoting the claims and related guests on air."

'Fox News admits the 'B.S.' in leaked text scandal: Hosts secretly trashed Trump lies'

Fox like many anti-American democracy sources.....

Halfwit thinks that MSNBC, CNN, PBS, CBS, ABC and NBC are telling him the truth.
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Most of the information presented by Fox OAN and Newsmax pretends to be news but is opinion. . . . .

I am sorry sir, but that is a totally false statement.

Three Items:

Trump Taxes
Russia Collusion
Most recent election (Trump will lose)

CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and NBC all played up these lies for months, even years. When the moment of truth came for each topic, those fake news networks were all proven false. Their inflated fake news propaganda turned out to be all lies.

There is a reason why Fox News ratings skyrocket above the others: Its because they tell the truth. People know truth when they hear it. MSNBC and CNN’s ratings have sunk and they lost al viewer trust.

MSNBC and CNN suffered a sharp drop in viewership in the second quarter of 2021, with MSNBC averaging 847,000 viewers and CNN at 654,000, compared to Fox News’ 1.2 million. The decline was due to a serious credibility problem caused by their heavy reliance on anti-Trump narratives during his presidency. Once Trump left office, these networks struggled to maintain audience interest, as their viewership was largely driven by “Trump hatred” rather than loyalty to their hosts or content.

Example: MSNBC, CNN, The Washington Post, and Reuters published unverified claims from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry without disclosing its terrorist affiliations, implying a pattern of irresponsible reporting. Additionally, these networks pushed debunked narratives, such as those related to the Steele dossier or Hunter Biden’s laptop, which eroded their viewers' trust. Many viewers turned to alternatives like Newsmax or OANN, which saw significant viewership spikes (e.g., Newsmax’s 497% increase post-2020 election) when audiences felt MSNBC and CNN were not reporting objectively.

In the last 2024 election, fake news networks reached a new low by constant fear mongering, Trump is Hitler, Trump will destroy democracy . . . that's not news, and people know it.
 
Most of the information presented by Fox OAN and Newsmax pretends to be news but is opinion. Opinion that appeals to a segment of society that already agrees. Opinionated presentation targets divisive issues rather than reporting or analysis. It is an internal political correctness that sees news or politics through an agreed upon lenses that is often anti-democratic, anti-science, and even anti-intelligence. These media sources pretend to be conservative they are not. They conserve nothing, they posture, dismiss, and divide.

It is an irony that Fox has become worse in an attempt to keep OAN and Newsmax at bay. Viewers are money. Modern American so called Conservative media now vies for the ridiculous if it feeds a bias, a hate, or criticizes. Add to this the death of local media along with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, Citizen's United, and the goose is cooked. Dark Money now rules.

Add online media sources that appear in searches and news feeds. Many of these are dark money supported sites pretending to be news when they are agitprop. Political power and corporate power do not like democracy. Democracy too often muddies the water, a citizen sees the world differently than a government bureaucrat or a profit seeking corporate officer. How does that corporation control democracy, it controls the information media presents and it targets information based on the social profiles of its viewers, often white and rural. Dog whistles dominate.

Democratic government is the favorite bogeyman of autocratic government. Lesser players in this game of deception include Breitbart, Townhall, and a host of sites that can be found in Internet searches - questionable sources are covered in links below. Online trolls have also proliferated in online social media. Some even gravitate to conspiracy sites or ideas of secession. This divisiveness takes many forms such as private schools, religious separation, and isolated rural community settings. Public education is too democratic, too open. How for instance could a pandemic become something other than a pandemic. Gaslighting from Fox ET AL have created a world of doubt. America leads the world in Covid-19 deaths, misinformation has consequences.

So how do we understand the topic question when media is opinion, distortion, dog whistles, targeted, oppositional, using loaded words, words meant as pejorative or audience specific? Content without thought, words like 'cancel' 'woke' 'leftist' 'liberal' 'socialist' 'border' 'trans' 'guns' etcetera. What do they really mean outside the club? Their appeal is to tribe, to emotion, not content or analysis. Misinformation and distortion weaken a nation's political conversation. Ask always who benefits, what is its purpose, and is the information news or opinion. Seek sources that explain without always pointing fingers.

Daniel Pipes wrote. "First, democracy is more than holding elections; it requires the development of civil society, meaning such complex and counter intuitive institutions as the rule of law, an independent judiciary, multiple political parties, minority rights, voluntary associations, freedom of expression, movement, and assembly. Democracy is a learned habit, not an instinctive one, that requires deep attitudinal changes such as a culture of restraint, a commonality of values, a respect for differences of view, the concept of loyal opposition, and a sense of civic responsibility."

'The Five Biggest Threats Our Democracy Faces'

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/five-biggest-threats-our-democracy-faces

And the SCOTUS threat:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...-biden-expand-supreme-court-trump-republicans

Information Sources to check:

https://iffy.news/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fake-news/
http://politics.flackcheck.org/patterns-of-deception/

One online news site I recommend: https://www.theguardian.com/us


"Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America." Bernie Sanders
I do not believe they are a threat, but they barely qualify as news. The are just a more extreme version of Fox and CNN. They are more akin to the Blaze.
 
I do not believe they are a threat, but they barely qualify as news. The are just a more extreme version of Fox and CNN. They are more akin to the Blaze.

Do you think that Fox "News" is a threat? I do.

I also wonder what happened to Midcan.
 
Its unhealthy, but I would not say a threat. I don't think they should have the word NEWS in their title. Maybe FOX OPINION.
Agreed. It's harmful to spread lies, half-truths and bigotry. Remember this?:

'Santa just is white ... Jesus was a white man too', says Fox News presenter – video​

 
Most of the information presented by Fox OAN and Newsmax pretends to be news but is opinion. Opinion that appeals to a segment of society that already agrees. Opinionated presentation targets divisive issues rather than reporting or analysis. It is an internal political correctness that sees news or politics through an agreed upon lenses that is often anti-democratic, anti-science, and even anti-intelligence. These media sources pretend to be conservative they are not. They conserve nothing, they posture, dismiss, and divide.

It is an irony that Fox has become worse in an attempt to keep OAN and Newsmax at bay. Viewers are money. Modern American so called Conservative media now vies for the ridiculous if it feeds a bias, a hate, or criticizes. Add to this the death of local media along with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, Citizen's United, and the goose is cooked. Dark Money now rules.

Add online media sources that appear in searches and news feeds. Many of these are dark money supported sites pretending to be news when they are agitprop. Political power and corporate power do not like democracy. Democracy too often muddies the water, a citizen sees the world differently than a government bureaucrat or a profit seeking corporate officer. How does that corporation control democracy, it controls the information media presents and it targets information based on the social profiles of its viewers, often white and rural. Dog whistles dominate.

Democratic government is the favorite bogeyman of autocratic government. Lesser players in this game of deception include Breitbart, Townhall, and a host of sites that can be found in Internet searches - questionable sources are covered in links below. Online trolls have also proliferated in online social media. Some even gravitate to conspiracy sites or ideas of secession. This divisiveness takes many forms such as private schools, religious separation, and isolated rural community settings. Public education is too democratic, too open. How for instance could a pandemic become something other than a pandemic. Gaslighting from Fox ET AL have created a world of doubt. America leads the world in Covid-19 deaths, misinformation has consequences.

So how do we understand the topic question when media is opinion, distortion, dog whistles, targeted, oppositional, using loaded words, words meant as pejorative or audience specific? Content without thought, words like 'cancel' 'woke' 'leftist' 'liberal' 'socialist' 'border' 'trans' 'guns' etcetera. What do they really mean outside the club? Their appeal is to tribe, to emotion, not content or analysis. Misinformation and distortion weaken a nation's political conversation. Ask always who benefits, what is its purpose, and is the information news or opinion. Seek sources that explain without always pointing fingers.

Daniel Pipes wrote. "First, democracy is more than holding elections; it requires the development of civil society, meaning such complex and counter intuitive institutions as the rule of law, an independent judiciary, multiple political parties, minority rights, voluntary associations, freedom of expression, movement, and assembly. Democracy is a learned habit, not an instinctive one, that requires deep attitudinal changes such as a culture of restraint, a commonality of values, a respect for differences of view, the concept of loyal opposition, and a sense of civic responsibility."

'The Five Biggest Threats Our Democracy Faces'

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/five-biggest-threats-our-democracy-faces

And the SCOTUS threat:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...-biden-expand-supreme-court-trump-republicans

Information Sources to check:

https://iffy.news/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fake-news/
http://politics.flackcheck.org/patterns-of-deception/

One online news site I recommend: https://www.theguardian.com/us


"Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America." Bernie Sanders


Sieg Heil Herr Comrade, ALL opposition MUST BE SILENCED to protect GLORIOUS PARTY.

ONLY party approved sources can be allowed to "inform" the Proles, in strict compliance with party goals.

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Its unhealthy, but I would not say a threat. I don't think they should have the word NEWS in their title. Maybe FOX OPINION.

It's "unhealthy" for any opinion save that of the party to be known?

I note that this thread was started by Comrade Midcan back in 2021, at the time Obama's Biden Junta was literally establishing a "Ministry of Truth" to regulate the press on behalf of the party and the Junta.

Of course that failed and the 1st Amendment is still in tact - much to the chagrin of the NSDAP, the National Socialist democrat Workers Party.

Now you can proudly hold your party up as the epitome of mental health...

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