Fentoine Lum
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Which means you want to discuss a religious text in a secular manner. That disqualifies what you say automatically.
But of course, religion cannot be discusses in terms of objective reality. By definition.
Which means you want to discuss a religious text in a secular manner. That disqualifies what you say automatically.
But of course, religion cannot be discusses in terms of objective reality. By definition.
Until Ezra when Jewish came thru the mother.
They already tried to build a third temple but it was felled by fire and earthquake.
Revelation 21:22-27 King James Version (KJV)
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

so you do want the world to be destroyed
see why your religion can be dangerous
you sound like a terrorist
Two genealogies... Someone should notice.
Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
so you do want the world to be destroyed
Jews did not keep horses.. They didn't have enough pasture and water.... There is NO archeological evidence for horses.
Which means you want to discuss a religious text in a secular manner. That disqualifies what you say automatically.

the return of Christ isn't the destruction of the world.......it is it's restoration......
In a sense, yes. It's about the salvation and restoration of Israel. After the 1000 yr millenial reign of Christ there will be a new Jerusalem (our eternal home in Heaven), the earth & the elements will be destroyed with "fervent heat".
sorry, not my theology......mine is simpler.......God created it, man fucked it up, God fixed it.......not a restoration of Israel, a restoration of Eden........no millenniums, no wars.......God comes back, judgement day......period......
There are no more prerequisites needed for the Rapture to occur. After that of course there are many events which will transpire prior to Christ's 2nd coming.
There is one main event that must happen prior to the 2nd coming of Christ at the end of the 7yr Tribulation...the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem. More precisely the 3rd Temple.
For those who think Christ's 2nd coming and end times have already occurred simply because the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, they are incorrect. Architectural plans for the third Temple exist most notably in chapters 40-47 of the Book of Ezekiel (Ezekiel's vision pre-dates the Second Temple)
The thing here is that first the Antichrist must arrive on the scene. He will be the one "authorizing" and getting the 3rd Temple reconstruction going. He will be deceiving the world making them think he is on the side of Israel and wants the Temple built for them. Naturally this won't be readily apparent until half way through the 7yr Tribulation. But, he's often identified as the political leader of a trans-national alliance similar to the European Union or the United Nations and will secure a peace treaty between the modern nation of Israel and its neighbors following a global war. The Antichrist later uses the Temple as a venue for proclaiming himself as God and the long-awaited Messiah, demanding worship from humanity.
So, all of this would be occurring after the Rapture during the 7 years of the Great Tribulation.


Yes, one from Mary and one from Joseph.
and should we give a fuck?......the Bible isn't about horses either.........you sound like the atheists who squealed about how many horses there were in Solomon's stables.......
Are you talking about the holiness issues and problems with the pagan wives?
So, we know God hates divorce, right?
Mal 2:16
Ezra did not establish the norm, but rather deals with a special case in history. It seems to have been decided (Ezra 10:3) on the principle that the lesser wrong (divorce) would be preferable to the greater wrong of the Jewish race being polluted by intermarriage, so that the nation and the messianic line of David would not be ended by being mingled with Gentiles. To solve the problem this way magnifies the mercy of God in that the only other solution would have been to kill all of those involved (husband, wives, and children) by stoning, as was done during the first Exodus at Shittim (Num. 25:1–9).
So now let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
Ezra 10:3
Solomon's stables may have been warehouses and the were built either under Omri or Ahab.