BLM chapter calls American flag 'symbol of hatred'

Jeez, dude. Don't you know that when you post shit like that people can see it's you who are the squealing pussy?

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You really believe everyone on this forum thinks you're some macho Alpha male who could easily be the next "Rick" after the Apocalypse?
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Lol and you want us all to belive you joined the navy in 1974 and were flying combat missions in 1974 and 75 in Vietnam.o you were and still are a marine. Lol lie so more dutch we all lnow your full of shit and several of us have called you out on the issue even offering you ways to prove it . you failed coward
 
Lol and you want us all to belive you joined the navy in 1974 and were flying combat missions in 1974 and 75 in Vietnam.o you were and still are a marine. Lol lie so more dutch we all lnow your full of shit and several of us have called you out on the issue even offering you ways to prove it . you failed coward

LOL. Your delusions get funny at times. Are you using any mind-altering legal or illegal chemical agents? Has anyone in your family been diagnosed with adult-onset mental issues? Any of them committed for one reason or another?

No names, just numbers for assessing the odds you are mentally incapacitated versus being a chronic liar and scammer.
 
The American flag is a length of fabric.

It means whatever the viewer wishes it to mean.

To the oppressed, it's a symbol of oppression.

To the affluent, it's a symbol of affluence.

To the insane "true believer," it's the battle standard for the army of Jesus.

It's a nice enough flag. The insane nationalism of right wing maniacs is what is probably preventing many sane Americans from flying it in front of their homes.

They would display it if it weren't for the Reichwing stigma perverting it's meaning.
 
I don't know, but the Democrats sure as shit ain't pushing any. All I see them pushing is "Free College!" not "Fix the fucking K-12 Schools!"

Unfortunately, federal programs often increase the cost because if a school takes any federal money (if one student gets a Pell Grant) the school must then meet all federal regulations. Special ed programs are very expensive because of the many federal rules requiring detailed plans for each student. If a student has a particular problem and a small district cannot provide the specialized care required the district must pay to send that student to another district or private institution to get that care.

When I first started teaching the school had a large storage room filled with audio-visual equipment which almost nobody used. But, the school got federal money to buy such equipment so they made sure they spent it all.
 
Right, because what you did instead was relay and disseminate false talking points in order to falsely frame the conversation, throwing up your hands by saying "it's not ME saying it, it's someone else and I'm just repeating it".

That gives you plausible deniability.

Except it is not a talking point but a simple fact which anyone can verify if they are willing to do some research rather than spouting partisan cliches.

The U. S. has the 4th highest expenditures per pupil in the world behind only Luxembourg, Austria, and Norway.
 
Unfortunately, federal programs often increase the cost because if a school takes any federal money (if one student gets a Pell Grant) the school must then meet all federal regulations. Special ed programs are very expensive because of the many federal rules requiring detailed plans for each student. If a student has a particular problem and a small district cannot provide the specialized care required the district must pay to send that student to another district or private institution to get that care.

When I first started teaching the school had a large storage room filled with audio-visual equipment which almost nobody used. But, the school got federal money to buy such equipment so they made sure they spent it all.

Exactly my point. Fix the frickin' laws for bullshit like that.
 
The bolded implies that all students saw spending per pupil increase, but that's not something you can prove without getting into finite, district-specific spending and data...and we know from experience with you that very often, you present only the superficial and leave out that which is exculpatory.

It's you generalizing inaccurately, using an aggregated average...isn't it?

The Census Bureau stats on increases in per-pupil expenditures does not imply to any rational person that every student saw an increase in spending. It only implies that to a person seeking to find trivial points to argue with. I did not generalize inaccurately, I just stated government stats.

""According to new Annual Survey of School System Finances tables, released today by the U.S. Census Bureau, per pupil spending for elementary and secondary public education (pre-K through 12th grade) for all 50 states and the District of Columbia increased by 5.0% to $13,187 per pupil during the 2019 fiscal year, compared to $12,559 per pupil in 2018. This is the largest increase in more than a decade."

The Census Bureau data obviously applies to the overwhelming majority of students. To argue it does not apply to every student is only a diversion from the main point which still stands. Per-pupil expenditures has seen the largest increase in more than a decade.
 
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Exactly my point. Fix the frickin' laws for bullshit like that.

Agreed. Too many government programs incentivize agencies by increasing their funding if they spend more money, serve more people, etc. The Inspector General for Iraq spending appeared on C-SPAN periodically and would talk about all the government spending on reconstruction which paid for buildings that were never built, never finished, or were too dangerous to occupy.

He said when he asked the officers in charge why they would give contracts to those who never completed construction, they told him they were evaluated based on how many contracts they gave out, not the quality or whether they were completed.

The money the federal government gave the colleges for the pandemic had such arcane rules for distributing the money to the students many did not qualify. In order to help the students and spend the money the financial aid officers would explain to the students in advance what was required to qualify hoping they took the hint and gave the right answers in the application process.
 
Agreed. Too many government programs incentivize agencies by increasing their funding if they spend more money, serve more people, etc. The Inspector General for Iraq spending appeared on C-SPAN periodically and would talk about all the government spending on reconstruction which paid for buildings that were never built, never finished, or were too dangerous to occupy.

He said when he asked the officers in charge why they would give contracts to those who never completed construction, they told him they were evaluated based on how many contracts they gave out, not the quality or whether they were completed.

The money the federal government gave the colleges for the pandemic had such arcane rules for distributing the money to the students many did not qualify. In order to help the students and spend the money the financial aid officers would explain to the students in advance what was required to qualify hoping they took the hint and gave the right answers in the application process.

Again, it's not the money being handed out but how Washington is handing out the money. It's fucked up as you described. We, the People need to work smarter, not harder.
 
This disgraceful so-called un American BLM chapter has also disgraced the honorable legacy of Sgt. William Carney in particular: The first African-American Medal of Honor recipient. What have these so-called BLM chapters done at defending Democracy to which millions of American of color throughout U.S. history not only defended Democracy but also never engage in treason. Considering these individuals despise America at being a foreign enemy's best friend of the sewer, LEAVE instead of feeding on the benefits of America but betraying it at the same time:

Of the 3,498 service members who have received the Medal of Honor throughout U.S. history, only 88 have been black.

In recognition of African American History Month, we're sharing the stories of the brave men who so gallantly risked and gave their lives for others, even in times when others weren't willing to do the same in return.

We'll start with the first black recipient of the award: Army Sgt. William H. Carney, who earned the honor for protecting one of the United States' greatest symbols during the Civil War -- the American flag.
https://www.army.mil/article/181896...rst_african_american_medal_of_honor_recipient

Additionally and correcting a terrible wrong of Americans of color veterans being denied their war time recognition, posthumous recognition has happened in honor to those American of color war veterans to be passed on to their descendants:

Families of African-American WWII Soldiers Awarded Medals of Honor 50 Years Later: 'These Men Were National Heroes and Almost All Of Them Died Without Recognition'
"Out of 452 Medal of Honor recipients, there are only seven blacks and for us this is an honor but the journey is a long one," Allene Carter tells PEOPLE

The families of seven African-American World War II veterans who received posthumous Medals of Honor will gather at the National World War II Museum on Wednesday to speak about the long fight for recognition.

Hosted by the Today show’s Al Roker, the event will pay tribute to the seven men who were denied the military’s highest honor because of their race. Their story is documented in a special exhibit entitled “Fighting for the Right to Fight: African-American Experiences in World War II,” which will begin traveling the United States in 2016.

President Bill Clinton awarded the medals in 1997 after an official investigation to determine if race played a factor in the selection of Medal of Honor recipients. By that time, only one of the seven men was still living.

The heroism of these men went so ignored for decades that many of their own families were unaware of their acts until investigators reached out to them. This was the case for Johnny and Margaret Pender, the nephew and niece of honoree Willy James who was killed while administering aid to his platoon leader in Germany in 1945."

https://people.com/human-interest/f...-soldiers-awarded-posthumous-medals-of-honor/

Tuskegee Airmen

The Tuskegee Airmen /tʌsˈkiːɡiː/[1] were a group of primarily African American military pilots (fighter and bomber) and airmen who fought in World War II. They formed the 332nd Expeditionary Operations Group and the 477th Bombardment Group of the United States Army Air Forces. The name also applies to the navigators, bombardiers, mechanics, instructors, crew chiefs, nurses, cooks and other support personnel.

All black military pilots who trained in the United States trained at Griel Field, Kennedy Field, Moton Field, Shorter Field and the Tuskegee Army Air Fields.[2] They were educated at the Tuskegee Institute (now Tuskegee University), located near Tuskegee, Alabama. Of the 922 pilots, five were Haitians from the Haitian Air Force and one pilot was from Trinidad.[3] It also included a Hispanic or Latino airman born in the Dominican Republic.[4]

The 99th Pursuit Squadron (later the 99th Fighter Squadron) was the first black flying squadron, and the first to deploy overseas (to North Africa in April 1943, and later to Sicily and other parts of Italy). The 332nd Fighter Group, which originally included the 100th, 301st and 302nd Fighter Squadrons, was the first black flying group. It deployed to Italy in early 1944. Although the 477th Bombardment Group trained with North American B-25 Mitchell bombers, they never served in combat. In June 1944, the 332nd Fighter Group began flying heavy bomber escort missions and, in July 1944, with the addition of the 99th Fighter Squadron, it had four fighter squadrons.

The 99th Fighter Squadron was initially equipped with Curtiss P-40 Warhawk fighter-bomber aircraft. The 332nd Fighter Group and its 100th, 301st and 302nd Fighter Squadrons were equipped for initial combat missions with Bell P-39 Airacobras (March 1944), later with Republic P-47 Thunderbolts (June–July 1944) and finally with the aircraft with which they became most commonly associated, the North American P-51 Mustang (July 1944). When the pilots of the 332nd Fighter Group painted the tails of their P-47s red, the nickname "Red Tails" was coined. The red markings that distinguished the Tuskegee Airmen included red bands on the noses of P-51s as well as a red rudder; the P-51B and D Mustangs flew with similar color schemes, with red propeller spinners, yellow wing bands and all-red tail surfaces.

The Tuskegee Airmen were the first African-American military aviators in the United States Armed Forces. During World War II, black Americans in many U.S. states were still subject to the Jim Crow laws[N 1] and the American military was racially segregated, as was much of the federal government. The Tuskegee Airmen were subjected to discrimination, both within and outside the army."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Airmen


Black female WWII unit hoping to get congressional honor

BOSTON (AP) — Maj. Fannie Griffin McClendon and her Army colleagues never dwelled on being the only Black battalion of women to serve in Europe during World War II. They had a job to do.

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BOSTON (AP) — Maj. Fannie Griffin McClendon and her Army colleagues never dwelled on being the only Black battalion of women to serve in Europe during World War II. They had a job to do.

In this photo provided by the U.S. Army Women's Museum, members of the 6888th battalion stand in formation in Birmingham, England, in 1945. The Women's Army Corps battalion, which made history as the only all-female Black unit to serve in Europe during World War II, is set to be honored by Congress. (U.S. Army Women's Museum via AP)© Provided by Associated Press In this photo provided by the U.S. Army Women's Museum, members of the 6888th battalion stand in formation in Birmingham, England, in 1945. The Women's Army Corps battalion, which made history as the only all-female Black unit to serve in Europe during World War II, is set to be honored by Congress. (U.S. Army Women's Museum via AP)
The 6888th Central Directory Postal Battalion was credited with solving a growing mail crisis during its stint in England and, upon their return, serving as a role model to generations of Black women who joined the military.


But for decades, the exploits of the 855 members never got wider recognition — until now.

The Senate passed legislation that would award members of the battalion, affectionately known as the Six Triple Eight, with the Congressional Gold Medal.

The bill is awaiting action in the House, but is already too late for most 6888 members. There are believed to be only seven surviving, including McClendon.

“Well, it would be nice but it never occurred to me that we would even qualify for it," McClendon said from her home in Arizona.

“I just wish there were more people to, if it comes through, there were more people to celebrate it,” said McClendon, who has met with her local congressman to press for passage of the bill.

The 6888 was sent overseas in 1945, a time when there was growing pressure from African-American organizations to include Black women in what was called the Women's Army Corps and allow them to join their white counterparts overseas.

“I think the 6888, the command inherently knew that their presence overseas meant more than clearing that mail backlog,” said Retired Army Col. Edna Cummings, who was not a member of the 6888 but has been advocating to get them greater recognition. “They were representing opportunity for their sisters at arms back in the United States who were having a hard time dealing with the racism and sexism within the ranks."

The unit dodged German U-boats on their way to England and scrambled to escape a German rocket once they reached a Glasgow port.

They were deployed to unheated, rat-infested airplane hangars in Birmingham, England, and given a daunting mission: Process the millions of pieces of undelivered mail for troops, government workers and Red Cross workers. The mountains of mail had piled up and troops were grumbling about lost letters and delayed care packages. Thus their motto, “No Mail, Low Morale.”

“They kept hollering about wanting us to go overseas so I guess they found something for us to do overseas: Take care of the mail,” McClendon said. “And there was an awful lot of mail. ... They expected we were gonna be there about two or three months trying to get it straightened out. Well I think in about a month, in a month and a half, we had it all straightened out and going in the right direction.”

In this photo provided by the U.S. Army Women's Museum, members of the 6888th battalion stand in formation in Birmingham, England, in 1945. The Women's Army Corps battalion, which made history as the only all-female Black unit to serve in Europe during World War II, is set to be honored by Congress. (U.S. Army Women's Museum via AP): World War II Black Battalion© Provided by Associated Press World War II Black Battalion
The 6888 toiled around the clock, processing about 65,000 pieces of mail in each of the three shifts. They created a system using locator cards with a service member's name and unit number to ensure mail was delivered. Sometimes, they had to resort to detective work when a parcel only had a common name or a service member's nickname.

Despite their achievements, the unit endured questions and criticism from those who didn’t support Black women in the military.

Housing, mess halls and recreation facilities were segregated by race and sex, forcing them to set up all their own operations. The unit commander, Maj. Charity Adams, was also criticized by a general who threatened to give her command to a white officer. She reportedly responded: “Over my dead body, sir."

They cleared out a backlog of about 17 million pieces of mail in three months — twice as fast as projected. The battalion would go on to serve in France before returning home. And like so many Black units during World War II, their exploits never got the attention afforded their white counterparts.

“It is sad to say. They came back to Jim Crow America,” Cummings said. “Not only 6888 but a lot of our minority soldiers who returned from the war were not recognized or appreciated until years later. The Tuskegee Airmen, Montford Point Marines. There are so many stories of units of color who were not recognized until decades after the war.”

Still, Cummings said the time overseas with the Army left a lasting impression on the women, many of whom dismantled barriers in their professional lives.

Elizabeth Barker Johnson was the first female to attend Winston-Salem State University in North Carolina on the GI Bill. She took part in the school's graduation ceremony at the age of 99 — 70 years after getting her degree.

McClendon joined the Air Force after the military was integrated and retired in 1971. She was the first female to command an all-male squadron with the Strategic Air Command. Another unit member, the late Doris Moore, became the first Black social worker in New Hampshire, her family said.

The unit's story has also started gaining wider recognition. A monument was erected in 2018 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, to honor them, and the 6888 was given the Meritorious Unit Commendation in 2019. A documentary “The Six Triple Eight” was made about their exploits. There is talk of a movie.

A bill would rename a Buffalo, New York, post office after the battalion's Indiana Hunt-Martin, who died last year.

And there is the push for the Congressional Gold Medal.

"These women were trailblazers, and it is past time that we officially recognize them for their incredible contribution to our troops during World War II,” said U.S. Sen. Maggie Hassan, a New Hampshire Democrat who co-sponsored the Senate bill.

Like McClendon, Moore's family said she would be honored but not enamored by the award. She rarely talked about her time with the 6888 when she was alive, preferring to let those achievements speak for themselves.

“She would have said, ‘This is an amazing, wonderful honor and I’m very proud to have served.’ Then she would have went on with her life,” said Moore's niece Elizabeth Pettiford, who grew up next door to Moore in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. “I just don’t think she would have made a huge thing about it because that was her personality. She kept a lot of things in.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/b...jHJ5OcHdN0XkFh1xX8whctdPFbyXWru8HwNymj80LVT-c

Does the legacy of these brave and courageous Americans of color who in their own way defended Democracy and the U.S. flag matter?
 
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Except it is not a talking point but a simple fact which anyone can verify if they are willing to do some research rather than spouting partisan cliches.

So then why didn't you verify it?


The U. S. has the 4th highest expenditures per pupil in the world behind only Luxembourg, Austria, and Norway.

Right, but Flash, that isn't even for every US student...that's an average that is skewed by students who live in school districts in wealthy neighborhoods.

Some students do not get that high expenditure, so right here is a perfect example of the kind of sophistry that I've been calling out in your argument.
 
""According to new Annual Survey of School System Finances tables, released today by the U.S. Census Bureau, per pupil spending for elementary and secondary public education (pre-K through 12th grade) for all 50 states and the District of Columbia increased by 5.0% to $13,187 per pupil during the 2019 fiscal year, compared to $12,559 per pupil in 2018. This is the largest increase in more than a decade."


This tells me nothing, Flash, because you're aggregating all students together...so you're including students who didn't see any increases to spending per pupil because either the school district had its funding cut, or the state cut funding to the district.

You keep doing this...you keep trying to apply the broad average as a broad conclusion.


The Census Bureau data obviously applies to the overwhelming majority of students.

NO! This data doesn't show that at all. What it shows is that there's an average increase in spending per pupil, but that's an average, which means there was spending less than the average, or no spending increases at all, and the average is being skewed upwards by school districts that did increase spending per pupil because they could afford to.

It's like a couple years ago when Conservatives were claiming that the Russia Tax Cut increased wages by 3.1%...but what they leave out is that wages for the wealthy over that period increased by 3.7%, four times the rate of everyone else. Which means that the wage increases for the rich were what was driving overall wage growth because for everyone else, wages remained stagnant. Same thing here with education.

You have a habit of presenting skewed conclusions based on skewed data because it's way easier for your lizard brain to process things if you oversimplify them, either intentionally through sophistry as you did here, or unintentionally through obtuseness.
 
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So you DO want to pay teachers more money, then.

OK...what do you think they should get? I think it should be around what a hedge fund manager makes. That way, we can attract the top talent.

Do you agree, or do you not think we should spare any expense when it comes to the education of our youth?

how will paying teachers more money help explain.

Thats democrats answer to everything throw money at it and ignore the real issue.


We spend an average $10,995 in public dollars on each US elementary and secondary student, but other countries spend less to get better reading, math and science test scores. Japan spends $8,301 per student and South Korea spends less, at $6,723, but both outpace US academic performance.

US spends almost $11k per student, while Japan and South .

the problem with our school system isn't money they have plenty of money . the problem is liberal policys ,parents , and sub standard teachers
 
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So then why didn't you verify it?

I did. I included the data from the Census Bureau.

Right, but Flash, that isn't even for every US student...that's an average that is skewed by students who live in school districts in wealthy neighborhoods.

Some students do not get that high expenditure, so right here is a perfect example of the kind of sophistry that I've been calling out in your argument.

Yes. That is what "average" means and we all understand that. Nobody thinks the Census Bureau data on averages means "every student" got a 5% increase.

It is not "sophistry" but common sense and common understanding. Nobody infers from that data that it applies to every student.

For you to think it is suggesting it applies to every student throws doubt on your understanding of math and statistics or is just an attempt on your part to argue about trivia.
 
how will paying teachers more money help explain

It will attract better candidates, simply put.

Say you graduate from Georgia Tech with a degree in Mathematics...you have two choices before you, you can take a job as a public school teacher and make $35K a year, or you can take a job on Wall Street and make $200K a year.

So what choice do you think that top candidate would make, 9 times out of 10?
 
This tells me nothing, Flash, because you're aggregating all students together...so you're including students who didn't see any increases to spending per pupil because either the school district had its funding cut, or the state cut funding to the district.

You keep doing this...you keep trying to apply the broad average as a broad conclusion.

Why don't you give us some better data that shows how many students got spending increases, decreases, or remained the same instead of arguing trivia.

You always argue against positions nobody ever took and nobody inferred.

The fact that is U. S. is 4th in the world also means the same caveats apply to all other nations--the per pupil expenditures do not apply to "every student" in those countries. Many of those nations have students that perform better than the U. S. despite lower per pupil expenditures by $2000-3,000.
 
I did. I included the data from the Census Bureau.

You didn't verify it, Flash because you cannot account for the fact that figure is an AVERAGE increase, not what every student saw, and we know that average is skewed by wealthier school districts who could increase their spending per pupil while other districts cannot.


Yes. That is what "average" means and we all understand that. Nobody thinks the Census Bureau data on averages means "every student" got a 5% increase.

You did, though, because that's the argument you were presenting.

You were making the argument that spending per pupil is up, but that's not true! That's a Flash bad faith half truth, that leaves out some pretty big fuckin' qualifiers that end up altering the argument you make.

You are using averages to argue that we're increasing spending on education, but you actively and deliberately leave out that not all students are getting that increase for the sake of your shitty beliefs.

So you're doing exactly what Rogoff and Reinhart did; you have a conclusion already predetermined that you are trying to backfill in bad faith.


It is not "sophistry" but common sense and common understanding.

No, it's sophistry because you deliberately obscured the fact that it's an average, it's not for every student...but you were presenting it in your argument as if it was.

And now you're doing the bad faith thing where you helplessly and shamelessly say "It's not ME saying it, I'm just (partially) repeating what someone else said to 'have a discussion'."

Total bad faith.

Fact is that kids in rich school districts saw more spent on their education, and you're trying to represent that increase for those narrow students as a generalized conclusion for the whole.

The reason you do that is to avoid talk about those other students, because if you had to confront the fact that not every student gets increase to their per-pupil spend, you'd have to admit that education is not funded equally...and if you admitted that, you'd have to admit why it's not funded equally, and that "WHY" is more than likely going to lead back to racism...and you are of the belief that there is no such thing as institutional or structural racism, so admitting it exists in education pretty much undermines one of your strongly-held beliefs. And your ego cannot handle that bruising because in your mind, you worked hard to achieve everything you achieved in life....but the reality is that you were given advantages, like more spending per pupil, that other people didn't receive.

You need people to think you worked hard and that there's no such thing as institutional racism because if you had to honestly account for your "success", it looks a lot less impressive if you achieved this relative and disappointing level of mediocrity even with all that institutional help.

You should be much more successful than you are, but clearly you are just not that hard a worker.
 
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