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[Niche Political Commentor]

No, it isn't.\

yes it is

in republics, the country is considered a "public matter", not the private concern or property of the rulers. The primary positions of power within a republic are attained through democracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

 

[Earl]

That dullard can't remember what he typed five minutes ago, let alone more than a day.

Indeed and if he does remember, he will lie about it.

 

[Earl]

No, it isn't. A democracy is government by popular vote. There is no constitution and there are no representatives. A republic is government by law (constitution). It has both a constitution and representatives, elected in accordance with the procedures laid out in that constitution and given power and authority specified in that constitution. The United States was organized as a federated republic...layers of constitutions, each defining and declaring a government. Each State in turn is a republic. Two States are no longer republics: The SDTC (formerly California) and the SOTNY (formerly the State of New York). The SDTC is currently a dictatorship and the SOTNY is currently an oligarchy. Neither one has a functioning constitution.

Insulting people isn't helping you.

There are currently no democracies anywhere in the world. The last such attempt was CHAZ, in Seattle, WA. That dissolved into an oligarchy before dissolving completely and the wasteland created by it was cleaned up by city crews. That took two full garbage trucks and was a filthy job.
City of Seattle council members and the mayor referred to it as a 2nd 'summer of love'. I guess the shootings and filth are 'love' to them.

One hundred percent accurate, ItN.

Even the CIA World Fact-book lists the government of the US as a "Constitutional Federal Republic."

The word "democracy" does not appear u\in that appellation.

 

[Into the Night]

yes it is



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic

False authority fallacy. You cannot use Wikipedia to define any word except 'Wikipedia'.

A republic is not a democracy.
A republic has a constitution. A democracy does not.
A republic has representatives. A democracy does not.
A republic has election procedures laid out for those representatives. A democracy does not, since a democracy has no representatives.

 

[Into the Night]

One hundred percent accurate, ItN.

Even the CIA World Fact-book lists the government of the US as a "Constitutional Federal Republic."

The word "democracy" does not appear u\in that appellation.

Of course the CIA World Fact book is being redundant here. A republic IS a government by constitution by definition. So the CIA World Fact book is essentially saying the US is a Republic Federal Republic.

Today, of course, that's no longer True...not since the coup by Democrats (so far successful). Most of the federal government has been converted to an oligarchy by the Democrats. There is a glimmer of hope here and there though:
* Some one thousand people switch to the Republican party in just the past year.
* The Supreme Court just struck down the ability for an unelected bureaucrat (in this case the EPA) from making law. This affects ALL the agencies in the 'federal' goverrnment, not just the EPA. The EPA, for example, can no longer regulate CO2 or any other magick gas.
* The Supreme Court recently struck down it's own unconstitutional ruling on abortion.
* Businesses following WOKE guidelines are LOSING BUSINESS, including big corporations like Disney.
* Guns and ammunition sales are higher than ever. Suppliers literally can't make 'em fast enough to satisfy demand.
* The Church of the Ozone Hole is largely dead. Just a few hardy believers in it now.
* The Church of Green has merged with the Church of Global Warming, since it's popularity is waning.
* The Church of Covid is being rejected by the people.
* The large numbers of people in L.A. that shoot fireworks (I mean actual displays) despite them being illegal to shoot in L.A.
* The impending doom being brought by Lake Mead being drained at record rates to supply water and power to southern SDTC (California), to where it can no longer supply either. This will force a wake up call like no other.
* People fleeing the SDTC and the SOTNY and moving to States like Florida, Texas, or even Idaho.

Yeah. Here and there is a glimmer of hope...even inside the SDTC.

 

[Flash]

It’s actually the right to Privacy, which was much larger than abortion. It was the right to make basic personal decisions that most directly affect who we as individuals are.

The conservatives could easily have left that right alone and carved Abortion out of it. Instead these guys took it away giving the government the power to once again regulate access to birth control, who we can marry and any other number of personal decisions.

They took power away from individuals and gave it to the government.

Did the court also take away from the government and give the freedom to individuals to carry guns and pray in public places?

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Please explain in detail how repealing a law that gave CHOICE (a basic cornerstone in freedom) justify's your last sentence?

What the decision repealed was SCOTUS having the power to regulate abortion. It did not repeal choice. It put law making back where it belongs with legislatures. Democrats could have passed a carbon copy of Roe Wade but chose to propose an anything goes right up until birth law they knew couldn't pass because they want political turmoil.

Let me deconstruct your response sentence by sentence:

1) On the contrary, the SCOTUS determines that states do not have the right to make abortion available in any state regardless of circumstance, and there is NO right to privacy regarding their decision. They have essentially opened the door for states to make abortion unconstitutional and to enforce such a stance by any means necessary...they have made that legal! https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54513499 https://www.npr.org/2022/05/17/1099455863/data-privacy-and-clinic-safety-after-roe-v-wade

2) See links in #1.

3) Law making followed it's legal course to the SCOTUS on both counts ... The SCOTUS just didn't decide to rule without anyone filing a case.

4) Your last sentence is pure supposition and conjecture....please provide documentation, because your opinion is not fact.

Once again, the question of how you equate removing choice with keeping in step with the Constitution and Bill of Rights has yet to be answered by the cheerleaders for this latest SCOTUS decision.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
Hello Shorsey,



What was the age of the victim?

What was the victims birth date?

Murder victims do have an age and a birth date.

No age? No birth date? No victim. No murder.

Nonsense, when a pregnant women is murdered, the murderer is charged with two murders.

https://abcnews.go.com › GMA › story
Scott Peterson, her widower, is being charged both with Laci's slaying, and the slaying of their unborn son, Connor, because California is one of 29 states ...

Which is yet another piece of creative fiction .... punitive action based on emotion passing as law. You cannot compare the various reasons women decide to have an abortion to the murder of a woman who was intent on giving birth before she was murdered. The Christo-fascists all danced with glee on this decision .... yet the conservative wonks in their midst grind their teeth over ANY court decision that incorporates "hate crime" rulings, because they deem it's emotional, not logical or legal. Go figure.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Lol...sulk, sulk, sulk.

More reasons to sulk are coming.

Careful Earl, your glee reveals your Christo-fascist personality.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Just a reminder of what is.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

yep - you no longer have the freedom to take a blood test at 7 weeks - and use that to abort a fetus based on gender or eye color

Crazy as that sounds - I ran into a lunatic woke progress nut job that insists this is her right.

Because these nut jobs failed to compromise in regions that demand compromise, you lost so much more.

Not everyone is a christer goyim

 

[Taichiliberal]

Women have been murdering ...in private...for centuries.

Hey Earl, you keep saying "murder", but to register a murder you have to have an age to go with the name of the victim.....that requires a BIRTHDAY. To date, there is no "law" outside of religious belief that a developing fetus is fully comparable to a live, out of the woman, breathing on their own person. Just a reminder.

 

[Taichiliberal]

You see how quickly it was struck down when the fascists threatened citizens to take an experimental medical procedure or lose their jobs.

There was never any right to do that, just as there was never any Constitutional right to an abortion or a slave. Those are all state not federal issues. That is the bottom line.

Do your homework regarding the history of state laws, federal laws and SCOTUS cases regarding slavery and the recognition of black folk as human beings. There's a whole lot of stuff that wasn't in the original Constitution that required AMENDMENTS and subsequent Congressional SCOTUS rulings to handle societal concerns. You can go from state to state and eat at a diner without fear of food poisoning because of a FEDERAL institution called the FDA. That's just a small example .... the bottom line that pulls the rug from your generalized assertion.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Thank you. Your own map shows the hyperbolic buffoons buying democrats manufactured hysteria have nothing to worry about if they want an abortion.

Read the map, genius....then tell that to the people in the red color states and such.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Most Americans have either had an abortion or know someone who has had one.

Most Americans favor keeping abortion legal.

Republicans just motivated more Democrats and Independents to vote this fall.

Independents favor keeping abortion legal.

Unfortunately, most Americans who identify themselves as Democrats or Progressives or Liberals or even Independents are NOT willing to have straight out, face to face confrontation with the current right wing agenda. That's why gerry-mandering and voter suppression in red states are so prevalent, and why they benefit the GOP/alt-right/teabagger/neoccon/fibbertarian factions.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Funny how the right wing wonks who scream bloody murder that ANY type of gun control legislation is akin to or will lead to total Confiscation and Banning of civilian owned weapons. And yet, they are perfectly okay with a ruling that allows some states to virtually ban or make impossible for women to choose abortion.

Funny that.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Question: how is giving people a choice "forcing views" on anyone? Prior to the nonsense of the right wing zealots on the SCOTUS, Roe vs. Wade didn't have ANY language that "forced" anyone to have an abortion. So I await your explanation.

Many americans do not support you killing babies, and will not support your "choice" to kill them.

Please produce the number of cases since Roe vs. Wade decision where the State M.E. and the local courts ruled that a baby was murdered by abortion. You do understand that murder requires a body that can be identified by BIRTHDATE (for one), right?

Now I'm not asking for your parroting religious dogma, or your opinion or feeling. I want FACTS. If you can't produce them, that means you're just another babbling Christo-fascist who blows smoke when faced with a question that you can't honestly answer without contradicting yourself.

I'm still waiting for that explanation.

 

[zymurgy]

Not everyone is a christer goyim

you don't have to be a christer goyim to not allow gender based abortions. you just have to not be a sociopath.

 

[Niche Political Commentor]

Please produce the number of cases since Roe vs. Wade decision where the State M.E. and the local courts ruled that a baby was murdered by abortion. You do understand that murder requires a body that can be identified by BIRTHDATE (for one), right?

Now I'm not asking for your parroting religious dogma, or your opinion or feeling. I want FACTS. If you can't produce them, that means you're just another babbling Christo-fascist who blows smoke when faced with a question that you can't honestly answer without contradicting yourself.

I'm still waiting for that explanation.

im an atheist.

the facts are, using the definition of life, the zygot/blastocyst/fetus/baby is alive at every point from the moment of conception. The only question is when you are comfortable ending that unique human life. When you kill babies, you are being a murderer.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

im an atheist.

the facts are, using the definition of life, the zygot/blastocyst/fetus/baby is alive at every point from the moment of conception. The only question is when you are comfortable ending that unique human life. When you kill babies, you are being a murderer.

Are you saying the sperm and egg were dead prior to fertilization of the egg?