Current situation at restaurants

[SmarterthanYou]

Easy solution, pay them more

Fact that it is restaurants and bars that are crying the most about finding help one might realize that they are lousy jobs for shit wages and little or no benefits

the other, more important fact, might be that it is a low skills job that most people with any sort of spatial awareness can do

 

[SmarterthanYou]

In good times and bad, there is always a chorus of employers who claim they can’t find the employees they need. Sometimes that chorus is louder, sometimes softer, but it’s always there. One reason is that in a system as large and complex as the U.S. labor market there will always be pockets of bona fide labor shortages at any given time. But a more common reason is employers simply don’t want to raise wages high enough to attract workers. Employers post their too-low wages, can’t find workers to fill jobs at that pay level, and claim they’re facing a labor shortage. Given the ubiquity of this dynamic, I often suggest that whenever anyone says, “I can’t find the workers I need,” she should really add, “at the wages I want to pay.”

https://www.epi.org/blog/u-s-labor-shortage-unlikely-heres-why/

more unadulterated horseshit

 

[Hawkeye10]

I went to my grandsons birthday party today...17 adults from the Seattle Area....I asked around and the consensus is that restaurants are buckling under the labor shortage. Everybody has money in their pockets to blow and wants to go out but restaurants in the area cant meet demand...aggravation is setting in.

It was really great to do a family event like this....it has been a long time.

 

[Hawkeye10]

New thing....time limits on tables even as kitchens run very slow.

Very annoying I am told.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

All businesses have to do is pay workers a living wage and decent benefits and that should take care of an overwhelming majority of issues. When I was in college I worked but I waited until I found a decent job with good pay, benefits and working conditions. I certainly wasn't about to work for a cheap, lousy employer who wanted to exploit my skills for what would be bread crumbs.

How do you figure? To take a related example, if you double the salary of teachers will you get students that are twice as smart from that?

When I was in college I got a job as an industrial electrician. Back in the late 80's the prevailing union wage for that job was around $16 an hour. I was making $15. The company (Keramont) didn't care when I was there only that everything worked and got installed on time. That meant I could work around my college classes. With the added GI bill to pay for college I was not a starving student by any means.
One of my high school friends worked there. He's a CEO of his own company today...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-mulligan-86b025b

I got hired because I could install and fix complex machinery, troubleshoot and repair machines that broke down, and could do it PDQ.

What you have today are burger flippers who think that they're worth $15 an hour or more for something anyone can be trained to do. They aren't. They don't deserve a "living wage." They deserve a wage commensurate with their skill that makes their employer's company profitable. If they don't like that, then they should get more skills and better job.

 

[Hawkeye10]

How do you figure? To take a related example, if you double the salary of teachers will you get students that are twice as smart from that?

When I was in college I got a job as an industrial electrician. Back in the late 80's the prevailing union wage for that job was around $16 an hour. I was making $15. The company (Keramont) didn't care when I was there only that everything worked and got installed on time. That meant I could work around my college classes. With the added GI bill to pay for college I was not a starving student by any means.

I got hired because I could install and fix complex machinery, troubleshoot and repair machines that broke down, and could do it PDQ.

What you have today are burger flippers who think that they're worth $15 an hour or more for something anyone can be trained to do. They aren't. They don't deserve a "living wage." They deserve a wage commensurate with their skill that makes their employer's company profitable. If they don't like that, then they should get more skills and better job.

Keeping in mind that a part of this is also training people to work...training people to get out of bed, get to work on time, stick to the task, dont rage at people and so on..

I have a big problem paying rather substantial money to those who cant do these sorts of things yet, and many employers will...we are partly taking away training opportunity....people will fail in a high min wage system who would have likely succeeded in a lower min wage system.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Keeping in mind that a part of this is also training people to work...training people to get out of bed, get to work on time, stick to the task, dont rage at people and so on..

I have a big problem paying rather substantial money to those who cant do these sorts of things yet, and many employers will...we are partly taking away training opportunity....people will fail in a high min wage system who would have likely succeeded in a lower min wage system.

Tell me. How useful is somebody that can't read a tape measure? I can train helpers in work-arounds in that area but it's frustrating that a big chunk of the population is just plain stupid.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Tell me. How useful is somebody that can't read a tape measure? I can train helpers in work-arounds in that area but it's frustrating that a big chunk of the population is just plain stupid.

We have so many 25 years olds who cant/wont/have not mastered basic life skills that me and a lot of my peers generally managed by the age of 9.....that is a huge problem.

The rotting out of the people, of the quality of the herd, of the collective...is something that I see constantly everywhere.....and it is catastrophic.

Very few people seem to understand this at all, they dont have any clue to how badly they suck as people.

They sure dont like being told either.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

 

[Gamewell45]

How do you figure? To take a related example, if you double the salary of teachers will you get students that are twice as smart from that?

When I was in college I got a job as an industrial electrician. Back in the late 80's the prevailing union wage for that job was around $16 an hour. I was making $15. The company (Keramont) didn't care when I was there only that everything worked and got installed on time. That meant I could work around my college classes. With the added GI bill to pay for college I was not a starving student by any means.
One of my high school friends worked there. He's a CEO of his own company today...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-mulligan-86b025b

I got hired because I could install and fix complex machinery, troubleshoot and repair machines that broke down, and could do it PDQ.

What you have today are burger flippers who think that they're worth $15 an hour or more for something anyone can be trained to do. They aren't. They don't deserve a "living wage." They deserve a wage commensurate with their skill that makes their employer's company profitable. If they don't like that, then they should get more skills and better job.

If they don't deserve a "living wage" then don't expect them to apply for employment.

Today's youth and low income workers are much different from when we were in our youth; they won't work for crumbs and there is a stigma attached to being described as a "burger flipper" so you have to make it attractive in some way. Btw not all jobs are burger flippers; there are other jobs in the service industry which require certain skills aside from flipping burgers. There is an old saying: "you get what you pay for" you pay garbage wages, you get the same level of service and reliability from the work force.

 

[Hawkeye10]

If they don't deserve a "living wage" then don't expect them to apply for employment.

Today's youth and low income workers are much different from when we were in our youth; they won't work for crumbs and there is a stigma attached to being described as a "burger flipper" so you have to make it attractive in some way. Btw not all jobs are burger flippers; there are other jobs in the service industry which require certain skills aside from flipping burgers. There is an old saying: "you get what you pay for" you pay garbage wages, you get the same level of service and reliability from the work force.

All too often, and I mean way too often, todays youth are sure that they are too good for the job, the work is beneath them, and more money changes almost nothing about that.

 

[Gamewell45]

All too often, and I mean way too often, todays youth are sure that they are too good for the job, the work is beneath them, and more money changes almost nothing about that.

I suppose you could make that argument but right now if they improved wages and no one applied, at least they didn't lose anything monetarily. I've spoken with some young people (some are college grads) where I live and they are adamant that they will not work for minimum wage or wages they consider to be inferior. Some of the low income jobs where I live are taken up by seniors looking to supplement their social security since many of them can barely live off of it as it is.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I suppose you could make that argument but right now if they improved wages and no one applied, at least they didn't lose anything monetarily. I've spoken with some young people (some are college grads) where I live and they are adamant that they will not work for minimum wage or wages they consider to be inferior. Some of the low income jobs where I live are taken up by seniors looking to supplement their social security since many of them can barely live off of it as it is.

Its not the end of the story....raise wages and you will get some who will take the job, but these people who are sure that the work is beneath them will simply put in the time as they were taught in our broken schools, and they will be filled with rage when they are told that they are not doing the job well enough to stay.

This is the recipe for making terrorists.

 

[Matt Dillon]

If they don't deserve a "living wage" then don't expect them to apply for employment.

Today's youth and low income workers are much different from when we were in our youth; they won't work for crumbs and there is a stigma attached to being described as a "burger flipper" so you have to make it attractive in some way. Btw not all jobs are burger flippers; there are other jobs in the service industry which require certain skills aside from flipping burgers. There is an old saying: "you get what you pay for" you pay garbage wages, you get the same level of service and reliability from the work force.

OH STFU. They need to earn gas, insurance, beer, and food money. As Hawkeye pointed out: They need to learn some work ethic as well.

I made it at 19 working out of the labor pool, which is worse and harder than McDonalds.

We were always the 2nd ones there, right behind the guy that camped on their step the night before.

I started working at 15.

Also I find it hard to believe anyone but a millenial would be spouting that "living wage" horseshit.

You want wages to rise? Get rid of illegals.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

If they don't deserve a "living wage" then don't expect them to apply for employment.

Or they take two jobs, or gig work, or something else to get there like they do now.

Today's youth and low income workers are much different from when we were in our youth; they won't work for crumbs and there is a stigma attached to being described as a "burger flipper" so you have to make it attractive in some way. Btw not all jobs are burger flippers; there are other jobs in the service industry which require certain skills aside from flipping burgers. There is an old saying: "you get what you pay for" you pay garbage wages, you get the same level of service and reliability from the work force.

Then they can starve. Too bad for them. You shouldn't expect to be paid like a CEO to dig ditches--to use the classic example.

 

[Matt Dillon]

I suppose you could make that argument but right now if they improved wages and no one applied, at least they didn't lose anything monetarily. I've spoken with some young people (some are college grads) where I live and they are adamant that they will not work for minimum wage or wages they consider to be inferior. Some of the low income jobs where I live are taken up by seniors looking to supplement their social security since many of them can barely live off of it as it is.

That's their problem. Not anyone else's. They need to learn that sometimes you do what you have to to make it.

And they are NOT making it.

 

[Gamewell45]

OH STFU. They need to earn gas, insurance, beer, and food money. As Hawkeye pointed out: They need to learn some work ethic as well.

I made it at 19 working out of the labor pool, which is worse and harder than McDonalds.

We were always the 2nd ones there, right behind the guy that camped on their step the night before.

I started working at 15.

Also I find it hard to believe anyone but a millenial would be spouting that "living wage" horseshit.

You want wages to rise? Get rid of illegals.

Guess what? your theory belongs in the toilet because food/service industry is whining no one wants to work, yet you sit here complaining they should. What are you going to do? Force them at gunpoint to turn burgers? Good luck getting rid of illegals; as long as penny pinching American businessmen continue to hire them in order to save a few pennies, nothing is going to change. Let's get with the program old timer.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Guess what? your theory belongs in the toilet because food/service industry is whining no one wants to work, yet you sit here complaining they should. What are you going to do? Force them at gunpoint to turn burgers? Good luck getting rid of illegals; as long as penny pinching American businessmen continue to hire them in order to save a few pennies, nothing is going to change. Let's get with the program old timer.

Turning off the ability to sit at home doing nothing would be a start of doing something about the problem of folks being unwilling to work.

 

[Gamewell45]

Or they take two jobs, or gig work, or something else to get there like they do now.



Then they can starve. Too bad for them. You shouldn't expect to be paid like a CEO to dig ditches--to use the classic example.

They won't starve; that is a pipe dream at best. They'll simply go on welfare and food assistance plans. No one is asking them to be paid a million dollars per year, you want that ditch dug, then just pay them a living wage with decent benefits and working conditions; how is that being unreasonable? No one should have to work 60 hours per week in order to survive.

 

[Hawkeye10]

They won't starve; that is a pipe dream at best. They'll simply go on welfare and food assistance plans. No one is asking them to be paid a million dollars per year, you want that ditch dug, then just pay them a living wage with decent benefits and working conditions; how is that being unreasonable? No one should have to work 60 hours per week in order to survive.

Those who work are are chumps so many now think.

That's a Big MotherFucking Problem!