Did Russian Interference Affect the 2016 Election Results?

LV426 said:
For two years, you denied Russia hacked anything.

Then, once Mueller's report came out and you couldn't deny it, you changed your position that they hacked, but didn't change anything.

So I expect in another two years, you'll admit they hacked and changed things as you try your re-brand away from Trump after he loses.
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National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.
National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.

"Do you have any evidence that Russian cyber actors changed vote tallies in the State of Michigan?" Nunes asked.

"No, I do not, but I would highlight we're a foreign intelligence organization, not a domestic intelligence organization, so it would be fair to say we are probably not the best organization to provide a more complete answer," Rogers said.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/directors-rogers-comey-say-no-votes-changed-due-hacking/

 
Flash said:
Well, about 8-9 million of Trump's voters did vote for Obama and I supplied you many links to prove this.
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OK...then going with this...why would they suddenly decide to vote for Trump after voting for and supporting Obama for 8 years?


They were cool about Obama but not Clinton because: 1) Obama was a newcomer without all the negative baggage of Hillary
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HUH?

The baggage of Obama was his birth certificate. It was that he was a "Kenyan". It was that he was a "socialist" who "wanted to take your guns". That he was a Muslim sleeper agent. Obama had plenty of negative baggage Conservatives exploited.


2) people voted for Obama because he promised "change."
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In 2012? He was already President for four years, and Clinton was his SoS that time.

So what changed from 2012 to 2016?

Russian propaganda.
 
LV426 said:
OK...then going with this...why would they suddenly decide to vote for Trump after voting for and supporting Obama for 8 years?




HUH?

The baggage of Obama was his birth certificate. It was that he was a "Kenyan". It was that he was a "socialist" who "wanted to take your guns". That he was a Muslim sleeper agent. Obama had plenty of negative baggage Conservatives exploited.




In 2012? He was already President for four years, and Clinton was his SoS that time.

So what changed from 2012 to 2016?

Russian propaganda.
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National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.
National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.

"Do you have any evidence that Russian cyber actors changed vote tallies in the State of Michigan?" Nunes asked.

"No, I do not, but I would highlight we're a foreign intelligence organization, not a domestic intelligence organization, so it would be fair to say we are probably not the best organization to provide a more complete answer," Rogers said.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/directors-rogers-comey-say-no-votes-changed-due-hacking/

 
Flash said:
Brand identification. Even corporations admit half of their advertising is wasted--they just don't know which half.
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Right, so wouldn't there be the brand identification of Clinton being tied to a cannibal sex ring out of a pizza shop? That gets directly to Clinton's brand. So you're saying that wasn't effective? If it wasn't effective, why did a Conservative shoot up that pizza shop based on that brand attack?
 
LV426 said:
Right, so wouldn't there be the brand identification of Clinton being tied to a cannibal sex ring out of a pizza shop? That gets directly to Clinton's brand. So you're saying that wasn't effective? If it wasn't effective, why did a Conservative shoot up that pizza shop based on that brand attack?
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National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.
National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.

"Do you have any evidence that Russian cyber actors changed vote tallies in the State of Michigan?" Nunes asked.

"No, I do not, but I would highlight we're a foreign intelligence organization, not a domestic intelligence organization, so it would be fair to say we are probably not the best organization to provide a more complete answer," Rogers said.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/directors-rogers-comey-say-no-votes-changed-due-hacking/

 
Truth Detector said:
Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.
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Which basically means Mueller couldn't get one of the Trump campaign heads to turn on the others

But what is documented is that the Trump campaign welcomed the Russian help, built Russia's help into their campaign, never reported the Russian help, made full use of the Russian help, and when exposed, lied about the Russian help

Label it what you want, but it sure as hell ain't what the Founding Father's had in mind when they established a democratic Republic, actually, they even advised against it
 
Flash said:
Corporations often have products we all want (restaurants, cell phones, cars, homes) while nobody likes politicians.
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I like politicians.

I like Elizabeth Warren.

I like Bernie Sanders.

I like AOC.

You make a lot of poor assumptions here; you speak in absolutes, then act in bad faith when you're called out.
 
Flash said:
Have you ever changed your mind based on advertising
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Yes! Of course! No one is immune to having their mind changed by advertising.

In fact, it's advertising that convinced you people hate politicians.

That's you buying into advertising.

You didn't come to the conclusion that people hate politicians on your own...it was ground into you by a propaganda effort throughout your entire life, led primarily by those on the right who want to undermine your faith in the institutions of government so that they can dismantle it and sell it off to their rich friends.

You're even dumber than most people because you buy into that simply because it confirms your inherent bias.

Wow.

What a dumbass.
 
Truth Detector said:
National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.
National Security Agency Director Admiral Michael Rogers and FBI Director James Comey both testified on Monday that no votes were changed due to hacking in the 2016 election.

"Do you have any evidence that Russian cyber actors changed vote tallies in the State of Michigan?" Nunes asked.

"No, I do not, but I would highlight we're a foreign intelligence organization, not a domestic intelligence organization, so it would be fair to say we are probably not the best organization to provide a more complete answer," Rogers said.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/directors-rogers-comey-say-no-votes-changed-due-hacking/

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Fact is that they couldn't document actually voting records being changed proves nothing, it is like saying campaigns, political advertising, speeches, door to door meetings, gym rallies, etc., have no effect on elections cause no one can document that they changed anyone's vote
 
Flash said:
have you loyally voted Democratic for many years in the past and future?
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I have never, and will never vote for the GOP. Ever.


Flash said:
Campaign ads are aimed at reinforcing the support of their side by telling us how terrible the other side is and by attempting to influence the undecided.
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OK, so propaganda does work, then, and you're admitting now that it influences how people decide who they're going to vote for. So why are you arguing with me that they're not?


In 2016 there were more voters who were late deciders because of the high negative ratings of both candidates thus subject to more influence and explaining the larger third party vote.
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And they made the choice to vote for independents why? Because of the propaganda from Conservatives and Russia about Clinton.
 
archives said:
Which basically means Mueller couldn't get one of the Trump campaign heads to turn on the others
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Wrong again; you're never right. It means the claim was a HOAX and there was no evidence to support the HOAX that only the dumbest and least intelligent among us fell for.

archives said:
But what is documented is that the Trump campaign welcomed the Russian help, built Russia's help into their campaign, never reported the Russian help, made full use of the Russian help, and when exposed, lied about the Russian help
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There is no such documentation. Claims like this merely illustrate what a dumb, gullible willing idiot you are.

archives said:
Label it what you want,
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Doesn't need a label snowflake; it was a HOAX.

archives said:
but it sure as hell ain't what the Founding Father's had in mind when they established a democratic Republic, actually, they even advised against it
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You have no clue what the founding fathers had in mind you clueless tard. You never get anything right. But I am sure that this ATTEMPTED COUP by the Party of the Jackass and with the complicity of the FAKE media has them rolling in their graves.
 
LV426 said:
I like politicians.

I like Elizabeth Warren.

I like Bernie Sanders.

I like AOC.

You make a lot of poor assumptions here; you speak in absolutes, then act in bad faith when you're called out.
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Of course you do! You're mentally retarded. :laugh:
 
Celticguy said:
The effect was to gain access to copy a public file.
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Which serves what purpose? What is the purpose of copying a public file?


You really dont have to hack that since its made available.
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So then this hack was deeper than what you're pretending it was.


But made available does not mean access to change.
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It also doesn't mean "affect".

You said the lists were affected...copying information that is already publicly available affects the lists, how?


Hacking is only when you touch what is NOT public.
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That's a weird rule you just established on the spot.

How does "copying" something available publicly affect that which you copied?
 
archives said:
Fact is that they couldn't document actually voting records being changed proves nothing,
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It means that idiots like you an LV426 who insist it happened are laughably stupid lunatics. That says a LOT.

archives said:
it is like saying campaigns, political advertising, speeches, door to door meetings, gym rallies, etc., have no effect on elections cause no one can document that they changed anyone's vote
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No it isn't you pathetic buffoon. Obama thinks you're an idiot.

Obama: Trump's Rigged Election Comments are 'Ridiculous'
 
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