IBDaMann
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If there are "exceptions" then it isn't a rule.
Nope. There are always Special Pleading Fallacies.
There is a thread dedicated to the relativistic nature of morality.
APP - Dietrich Bonhoeffer: Why the preservation of good ethics and national character are so important to that nation’s politics.
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ModernDiogenes
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This is a thread dedicated to the notion expressed by Bonhoeffer and that I’ve been advocating around parts like these since 2016 when it became obvious that what allegedly couldn’t happen in the U.S can happen these days in the U.S. :
That with the degradation of ethical thinking in the coming together of political exasperation, disenfranchisement and high levels of corruption a populace in response to those factors can elect a pathologically malignant individual as their answer to it all, even though everything about that is readily foreseeable as a likely to produce a minimally highly impractical to tragic level outcome.
The unfolding of which Bonhoeffer called a form of “stupidity”.
IBDaMann
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... hence the thread title.
It wasn't a very intelligent allegation now was it?
This is gibberish layered in subjectivity three levels deep. You could be talking about any church group, any recreational club, any extracurricular activity, any political party, any athletic team, any civics group, any large conglomerate, any small cooperative, any academic institution, any labor union, any homeowners' association, any neighborhood watch, any bowling team, any country, state, province, urbanization, department, assembly, collective, etc. In fact, I can't think of any group to which this does not apply.
You should have written "They need air so they breathe" and it would have been equally applicable but less subjective.
What random word generator did you use for this clause?
Bonhoeffer wasn't particularly interested in being informative or insightful.
ModernDiogenes
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Trump asked that he and MAGA’ism be “on the ballot”. He got his request. They were and they lost. Convincingly.
The Democrats need to know this was an ANTI election and not Pro. This was a refuting of what is and a demand for change. Not a ringing endorsement of the Democrats, but a turning away from MAGA and Trump.
Democrats better be the agents of change the electorate is demanding or they will lose these gains as fast as they found them.
IBDaMann
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We've already been over this. Trump wasn't running in any race. You keep referring to Trump as "they" because you never mean what you write.
This election was less about election and more about the cheating legislation that Democrats and leftists defended so vigorously because of this kind of fruit that it bears for them.
It is the ongoing stealing of elections. If you leftists had passed SAFE instead of fighting it tooth-n-nail then you'd get to make all the claims that you are making; however, as long as Democrats are going to base their success on cheating, we need to keep this at the forefront of every discussion.
My point exactly.
Nope, ... of turning away from fair elections.
So now will they pass SAFE?
Not true. Cheating works until it is stopped, and you and I both know that Democrats aren't going to just stop in their efforts to that effect.
ModernDiogenes
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You're full of it on this. Trump was all over the place DEMANDING to that his policies and he personally be the focal point of each of these campaigns. Even now he in on Truth Social staitng the reason Republicans lost is that they didn't make it enough about him.
So for you, with a straight face no less, to be claiming "Trump wasn't running in any race" is fantasy. He was in EVERY race because he insisted on being front and center and bullied his way to center stage if it was resisted.
The polls say this election was about MAGA and Trump and its results are a rejection of both. It wasn't a 'pro-Democrats" ride. It was an anti-MAGA and Trump flood.
You're delusional. Please rejoin the mentally well balanced.
IBDaMann
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You're an eternal liar.
Trump wasn't in any race. Trump wasn't on any ballot. You claim otherwise and have now doubled-down on it, so specify for what position he was a candidate.
You are full of chit and you are a liar.
How does that pertain to the people who were running?
I acknowledge your double-down. In what race was he running?
If he was in "every race" then he was in no race at all, which is the correct answer.
Reality doesn't conform to what anyone insists, and that includes you.
Ignored.
That's for sure.
Nope. That's just the cover story for the cheating part.
ModernDiogenes
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@IBDaMann The gift that keeps on giving.
You need to realize that folks like yourself and @Uncensored2008 among others, you along with Trump we’re on the ballot this midterm and your thinking, style, anti-social character and scathing lack of ethics lost, and lost badly.
MAGA, and the nation’s increasing disgust with it, is why Republicans lost this election season in a landslide.
MAGA is dead. May it not be resurrected by another name.
You need to realize that folks like yourself and @Uncensored2008 among others, you along with Trump we’re on the ballot this midterm and your thinking, style, anti-social character and scathing lack of ethics lost, and lost badly.
MAGA, and the nation’s increasing disgust with it, is why Republicans lost this election season in a landslide.
MAGA is dead. May it not be resurrected by another name.
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ModernDiogenes
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The Bonhoeffer midterm election takeaway
We’ll have to draw thus out a bit more long term to know for sure but that takeaway may very well be that while Trump priced “it can happen here”, these midterms may have shown maybe not just yet.
Despite the gerrymandering, the Tech Bro. money, the threats to and actual changes to election procedure (cut backs on extended voting periods, polling places cutbacks, mail in voting rules) the population voted en mass and voted their wallets and their consciences when they got there.
So maybe we aren’t Bonhoeffer’s kind of “stupid”. At least not yet.
We’ll have to draw thus out a bit more long term to know for sure but that takeaway may very well be that while Trump priced “it can happen here”, these midterms may have shown maybe not just yet.
Despite the gerrymandering, the Tech Bro. money, the threats to and actual changes to election procedure (cut backs on extended voting periods, polling places cutbacks, mail in voting rules) the population voted en mass and voted their wallets and their consciences when they got there.
So maybe we aren’t Bonhoeffer’s kind of “stupid”. At least not yet.
IBDaMann
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Nope. Winning by cheating does not entitle you to fabricate some fictitious reason for your victory that actually explains why you were so desperate to cheat in the first place.
Congratulations on your successful mail-in cheating and your no-ID-required "elections".
IBDaMann
Probably the worse human in the threads
Now you're getting real! What other brilliant "insights" do you have for us?
IBDaMann
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Despite MAGA attempts to establish fair elections and to eliminate cheating, the Democrat defense thereof proved more formidable than We the People anticipated.
T. A. Gardner
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Tolerance has limits. To allow everything and anything is to stand for nothing.
The melting pot works when good ideas are added to a society and culture, not when bad ones are forced on it.
In the US today more and more, social change and ideas on tolerance are being forced on society. These aren't being readily adopted and the first chance that comes along to dump them is likely to see that done in a far less tolerant way than they were forced on society to begin with.
ModernDiogenes
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What cheating? Bring receipts.
ModernDiogenes
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IBDaMann
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Democrats were united in solidarity to defeat fair elections, remaining steadfast in their legitimization and normalization of mail-in cheating and no-ID voting. This does not need any support; it's part of the historical record. The SAVE act would have nixed the cheating and would have restored fair elections, but Democrats (and their servant RINOS) couldn't allow it because that was their only way to win, i.e. they had no platforms and they had no candidates anyone wanted.
This election occurred under mail-in cheating and no-ID voting. It should be voided and run again, without cheating.
If you are going to claim that there was no mail-in voting and no no-ID voting, bring your receipts.
IBDaMann
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That's right, you're a Brit, so you weren't following activities in the US.
I get this stuff from following events in the US.
ModernDiogenes
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You just say stuff. You deny the public record when I use it to point to Trump’s dismal character and ethics fully recorded in that recorded history. Then you make up a history that simply doesn’t exist about Democrats cheating in elections.
What is it with you?
???
I’m a born in NYC, retired US law enforcer whose never lived outside the US. You are one very strange dude.
IBDaMann
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You just deny stuff.
A "melting pot" means that those who come here assimilate to American culture.
That isn't what the millions of Somalis, Haitians, Sudanese, et al your party is importing do. You bring them over, put them on welfare, help them set up fraud schemes, and they live the same way they did in the 3rd world shitholes they came from.
I get it, the whole purpose for you Marxists importing the dregs of the planet is to destabilize the nation and destroy our cultural identity.