Every bit of this election stuff is the democrats fault

BartenderElite said:
Who knows. They were definitely involved in efforts on the internet and elsewhere to influence voters.

But Trump claimed massive fraud in 2016 - both before and after the election. As he did this time around.

In the OP, you stated it was mail-in that basically caused this in 2020. But what about 2016? Why should we believe that Trump wouldn't be yelling "massive fraud" this year even if there was no mail in at all?
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Trump is not the issue, mail ballots are the issue and I don’t care what Trump says about it.
 
BartenderElite said:
It's very simple math.

I'll explain it again: most of the mail-in ballots were from Democrats. This was established prior to the election, and verified by polls. Trump encouraged his supporters to actually vote on election day. Many Democrats took COVID more seriously and did mail in.

In general, mail-in ballots were counted last. Its is no mystery whatsoever why so many broke for Biden late. It is simple math and logic.
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blame your own side. they got greedy and their tactics were too obvious.
11/3 - Trump's up by 700k
PA closes up, stops counting so they can decide how many fake ballots they need.
by early morning (just a few short hours) phony ballots arrive, allllllllllll for burglar biden; magically Trump's lead disappears. 700,000!!!

Dems should have taken their time, throw some of those ballots into the mix all day long, inconspicuously, more natural-looking over that 12 hour period of voting.
you guys can't even cheat right.:laugh:
 
Stretch said:
blame your own side. they got greedy and their tactics were too obvious.
11/3 - Trump's up by 700k
PA closes up, stops counting so they can decide how many fake ballots they need.
by early morning (just a few short hours) phony ballots arrive, allllllllllll for burglar biden; magically Trump's lead disappears. 700,000!!!

Dems should have taken their time, throw some of those ballots into the mix all day long, inconspicuously, more natural-looking over that 12 hour period of voting.
you guys can't even cheat right.:laugh:
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LOL

Well, I tried.
 
BartenderElite said:
Why are mail ballots the issue? You know we've always had them to some degree, correct?

Please be specific on that. What about mail ballots seems suspicious to you?
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We have never had a majority of mail in ballots as an election method. Ballot harvesting until recently was seen as a fraudulent means of voting and vote collecting. It still is, but there are those on the Left arguing for its widespread use.
I also think that as it stands, there is no chain of custody on mail-in ballots, and the security on them is laughable. That's for starters.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
We have never had a majority of mail in ballots as an election method. Ballot harvesting until recently was seen as a fraudulent means of voting and vote collecting. It still is, but there are those on the Left arguing for its widespread use.
I also think that as it stands, there is no chain of custody on mail-in ballots, and the security on them is laughable. That's for starters.
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But we have always had some form of mail in as legit and allowable. How would scale change that?

We're in a pandemic year. It's ridiculous to suggest that older people and other high-risk groups should have had to go wait in line and put themselves at risk, and go use a booth that hundreds if not thousands would travel through in a day.

There is nothing wrong w/ mail in, and there is absolutely nothing suspicious about so much of the mail-in breaking late for Biden. That was 100% expected.
 
Stretch said:
blame your own side. they got greedy and their tactics were too obvious.
11/3 - Trump's up by 700k
PA closes up, stops counting so they can decide how many fake ballots they need.
by early morning (just a few short hours) phony ballots arrive, allllllllllll for burglar biden; magically Trump's lead disappears. 700,000!!!

Dems should have taken their time, throw some of those ballots into the mix all day long, inconspicuously, more natural-looking over that 12 hour period of voting.
you guys can't even cheat right.:laugh:
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It may be impossible to prove but that looks suspicious as hell.
 
BartenderElite said:
But we have always had some form of mail in as legit and allowable. How would scale change that?
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Because on a small scale, as the exception, it couldn't easily be manipulated for fraudulent purposes. Traditionally, mail-in ballots went to personnel in the military serving away from home, American ex-pats living overseas, that sort of thing. Mail-in ballots were not widely available to the general population. Now they are. When you couple that with poorly maintained voter registration rolls that--in particular the Democrats--are fought tooth and nail to avoid any updating or purging of voters from and now the practice of just mailing everyone on them a ballot, you have millions of uncontrolled, unaccounted for, ballots floating around.

We're in a pandemic year. It's ridiculous to suggest that older people and other high-risk groups should have had to go wait in line and put themselves at risk, and go use a booth that hundreds if not thousands would travel through in a day.
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The alternative clearly is mail them a ballot, they can fill it out at their leisure, then they in-person turn it in for counting. That means they will be "in line" for a matter of minutes, not hours. Clearly if such persons can go to the grocery store, they can go to a polling station, check in, and turn in their filled out ballot. What slows the process right now is the time it takes filling out the ballot. There would be no need for booths in this case either.

There is nothing wrong w/ mail in, and there is absolutely nothing suspicious about so much of the mail-in breaking late for Biden. That was 100% expected.
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Ballot harvesting is one clear example of what is wrong with mail-in ballots (among others). This practice can only be done with mail-in ballots. Whether it is legal or not it can be done. When ballots have no chain of custody associated with them, there is no means to ensure they are valid and that the person claimed to have filled it out actually did.
 
Darth Omar said:
It may be impossible to prove but that looks suspicious as hell.
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Those spike graphs were shown in here by someone especially in WI and MI. All of a sudden they stopped and when they restarted the process allllllll votes were suddenly for Plugs.
 
Stretch said:
Those spike graphs were shown in here by someone especially in WI and MI. All of a sudden they stopped and when they restarted the process allllllll votes were suddenly for Plugs.
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Are you surprised that the mail-in, which they counted last, broke heavily for Biden?
 
Darth Omar said:
I think it’s more than that. I think even many democrats realize it.

It’s like watching someone ‘that’s a little too lucky’ at the craps table.
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Oh they know it. Even the demalquedacrats on this board know it. I was here election night as the results were rolling in. Jarod came on very early and said Trump wouldn't win Florida. VERY EARLY

People like Bartender were despondent. The numbers out of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were DEVASTATING to them.

There is nothing the explains what happened other than widespread cheating. And it isn't just the ballots. They used computer algorithms to flip votes from Trump to Biden electronically. That is frightening. The GOP may hate Trump, but if they want to be a governing party they better wake the fuck up because if they stand by and let them take Trump out this way then they doom themselves to loser status forever.

Just saw ratings for Fox News from this weekend. They collapsed faster than the NBA and they only have themselves to blame.
 
I Love America said:
Oh they know it. Even the demalquedacrats on this board know it. I was here election night as the results were rolling in. Jarod came on very early and said Trump wouldn't win Florida. VERY EARLY

People like Bartender were despondent. The numbers out of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were DEVASTATING to them.

There is nothing the explains what happened other than widespread cheating. And it isn't just the ballots. They used computer algorithms to flip votes from Trump to Biden electronically. That is frightening. The GOP may hate Trump, but if they want to be a governing party they better wake the fuck up because if they stand by and let them take Trump out this way then they doom themselves to loser status forever.

Just saw ratings for Fox News from this weekend. They collapsed faster than the NBA and they only have themselves to blame.
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The bolded isn't true.

Most mail-in was for Biden - and that was counted last. What about that doesn't work out mathematically?
 
The Left is Feared.

The Left were worried that the Right would be stern and paternalistic.

But

The Right were worried that the Left would be free to be crazy.


Please understand the difference between the two sides.


One is stern and realistic.

The other is outrageous and bizarre.

The Left doesn’t FEAR the right.

But

The Right DOES FEAR the Left. The Right is very, very afraid of the Left.

The Left are fearsome.

The Right is protective.

The Left are chaotic.
 
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