GOP Senator Lisa Murkowski: ‘I just don’t know how long I can stay in this party.'

Concart said:
It’s not a bad question. It appears to me that republicans voters have no interest in having him not run. So let him run and be destroyed. That ends the threat. He goes to jail and everyone forgets about him. The calculus , and I agree with it, is that the best way to get rid of him now is to let him run. He wins only if a legitimate third party poaches votes from Biden. I am saying this not as a Democrat but as an American.

I don’t want him on the ballot but the cult does. Republican leadership doesn’t want Trump on the ballot either
but they are as powerless to stop it as I am.

These charges are 100% legitimate. The man conspired to steal an election. He stole top secret war plans and showed them off to random people. And seriously why would the Saudis give Kushner 2 BILLION dollars and gave LIV golf to Trumps courses. You think that’s because they are brilliant business people? Nope. Trump is a criminal. And a traitor. That’s not hyperbole.
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It would be interesting to see if he cops a plea when the walls have really closed in? Perhaps a fine and an exclusion from ever running for office?
 
Althea said:
It would be interesting to see if he cops a plea when the walls have really closed in? Perhaps a fine and an exclusion from ever running for office?
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I don’t think he can. Remember the story of the scorpion and the frog. Very apt. He will never admit defeat.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
OK! Yes, That is the only one I know of, and yes that made huge headlines. And we all responded in a thread about this just last week.

Now, let's see if you can google up another one?
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you only asked for one....sorry because of inflation we no longer honor coupons for three wishes........
 
Althea said:
Two big ones recently. Most recently in Ga, but I believe that was a state level seat.

Another in N. Carolina state legislature ran on a pro choice position as a Dem, and now changed to Rep. and is anti abortion.

But for the most part, on the Fed. level it's Republicans who switch in order to get elected. Historically, they haven't been very Democrat, though.

Murkowski won't switch. She's a solid Republican who teases (like loony Collins in Maine) concern over Republican bills, but always votes with the party.
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Let's face it, if you lie down and sleep with dogs- YOU ARE A DOG!

But, I can remember there were times when Murkowski and Collins votes were all we needed and we didn't get them.

I also remember there were times when we did! So they are not anything you can count on- it would be like betting on the Dallas Cowboys in a playoff game!:palm:
 
anonymoose said:
Former mainstream republicans. I was one once upon a time.
Mainstream republicans are part of The Cult now, or so it seems. We shall see.
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Sadly.

Thankfully, they are about 35% of the 30% that are Republican voters in this nation.

But 80% of Republican legislators. Unless they are behind closed doors, where 100% hate him.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Let's face it, if you lie down and sleep with dogs- YOU ARE A DOG!

But, I can remember there were times when Murkowski and Collins votes were all we needed and we didn't get them.

I also remember there were times when we did! So they are not anything you can count on- it would be like betting on the Dallas Cowboys in a playoff game!:palm:
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Murkowski more than Collins, but I believe they both voted for the tax giveaway to billionaires after citing 'concerns'.


Murkowski did vote to convict trump, probably because she knew that he has to be gone.
 
Concart said:
I don’t think he can. Remember the story of the scorpion and the frog. Very apt. He will never admit defeat.
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I agree, but there will come a point where even he realizes that he's seriously fucked due to the overwhelming evidence.
More than likely in DC court where he doesn't own the judge.

Gonna be an interesting year. Smith plays three dimensional chess, and trump eats paint chips.
 
Althea said:
Murkowski more than Collins, but I believe they both voted for the tax giveaway to billionaires after citing 'concerns'.


Murkowski did vote to convict trump, probably because she knew that he has to be gone.
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In some ways, it's nice to have mavericks in the mix. We have a couple of our very own! But, one has to imagine if they are mavericks because it gives them such power- or is it because they have such moral consciousness over conviction?

All of these mavericks tend to flip and flop depending on the weather! Who even knows if they're playing Eenie, Meenie, Miney, & Moe? :laugh:
 
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Althea said:
I agree, but there will come a point where even he realizes that he's seriously fucked due to the overwhelming evidence.
More than likely in DC court where he doesn't own the judge.

Gonna be an interesting year. Smith plays three dimensional chess, and trump eats paint chips.
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The next three weeks are going to be interesting. I say that because not just Trump is about to be indicted. I believe that sitting members of Congress will be indicted. I think Ron Johnson gets indicted. I think Lindsey Graham might even get indicted. A number of Republican Congressmen. A number of Republican officials in multiple states. Rudy, Eastman, Clark, Bannon. Roger Stone, I think Smith is going to indict every single person involved in the conspiracy. The question then is going to be what does the cult do? I don't know the answer. But what I do know is that we needed a bulldog like Smith, a guy who WILL kick these scumbags in the nuts. I just am not sure how the cult reacts. I'm afraid we may see the death throes.
 
Concart said:
The next three weeks are going to be interesting. I say that because not just Trump is about to be indicted. I believe that sitting members of Congress will be indicted. I think Ron Johnson gets indicted. I think Lindsey Graham might even get indicted. A number of Republican Congressmen. A number of Republican officials in multiple states. Rudy, Eastman, Clark, Bannon. Roger Stone, I think Smith is going to indict every single person involved in the conspiracy. The question then is going to be what does the cult do? I don't know the answer. But what I do know is that we needed a bulldog like Smith, a guy who WILL kick these scumbags in the nuts. I just am not sure how the cult reacts. I'm afraid we may see the death throes.
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Hopefully people wake up and realize that it is too late, the Constitution is over, Old America is dead.

It was murder.
 
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