I will ask again

Why are mail-in ballots to be allowed without postmarks? Seems like a open goal for fraudsters.

If the officials have a ballot in their hands by the end of the day Nov. 6, it will count. If ballots are still coming in after Nov. 6, either with or without postmarks, they won't count.
 
So what?

How does this lend itself to any kind of "massive voter fraud?"

I mean, particularly when there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for any kind of coordinated or widespread voter fraud, EVER, in a Presidential campaign?

Why is this such an issue for you? Because you actually believe Trump?

It's not even an issue in states where mail-in ballots have been the norm for years.
 
Pretty stupid question, maybe you should cast your mind back to 2005?

Long before Trump, bipartisan group of elder statesmen flagged mail ballot fraud risks


Forgotten 2005 report warned a small amount of fraud could swing close elections, urged voter ID requirements.

recent months, the debate over mail-in balloting has evolved into a battle between Team Trump's worries about fraud and the claims of Democrats and their news media allies that such concerns are an unwarranted effort at disenfranchising voters.

It wasn't always this way.

Fifteen years ago this very month, a bipartisan panel of American statesmen and stateswomen — from ex-President Jimmy Carter and ex-Senate leader Tom Daschle on the left to former Secretary of State James Baker and former House Minority Leader Bob Michel on the right — studied the future of U.S. elections and issued strong words of caution that the expansion of mail-in voting that began a few years earlier in Oregon posed real fraud risks, especially in close elections.

"To improve ballot integrity, we propose that federal, state, and local prosecutors issue public reports on their investigations of election fraud, and we recommend federal legislation to deter or prosecute systemic efforts to deceive or intimidate voters," the Commission on Federal Election Reform urged in 2005. "States should not discourage legal voter registration or get-out-the-vote activities, but they need to do more to prevent voter registration and absentee ballot fraud."

Moreover, the commission strongly urged that voter identification was a key to preventing cheating, something some liberals today claim provides xenophobic "new barriers to the ballot box."

"The electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud or to confirm the identity of voters. Photo IDs currently are needed to board a plane, enter federal buildings, and cash a check. Voting is equally important," the commission said.

The commission, created by American University and supported by several liberal nonprofits, looked at ways of increasing voter participation and reducing fraud and saved some of its strongest words of concern for mail-in balloting, which was just beginning en masse in Oregon.

"While vote by mail appears to increase turnout for local elections, there is no evidence that it significantly expands participation in federal elections,” the commission wrote. "Moreover, it raises concerns about privacy, as citizens voting at home may come under pressure to vote for certain candidates, and it increases the risk of fraud."

"Oregon appears to have avoided significant fraud in its vote-by-mail elections by introducing safeguards to protect ballot integrity, including signature verification. Vote by mail is, however, likely to increase the risks of fraud and of contested elections in other states, where the population is more mobile, where there is some history of troubled elections, or where the safeguards for ballot integrity are weaker," the commission said.

The commission acknowledged its members were split on the extent of voter fraud: Some believed it to be widespread, while others perceived it as minor. But the members' final report detailed concrete examples of voter fraud cases.

"The November 2004 elections also showed that irregularities and fraud still occur," it wrote. "In Washington, for example, where Christine Gregoire was elected governor by a 129-vote margin, the elections superintendent of King County testified during a subsequent unsuccessful election challenge that ineligible ex-felons had voted and that votes had been cast in the names of the dead. However, the judge accepted Gregoire's victory because with the exception of four ex-felons who admitted to voting for Dino Rossi, the authorities could not determine for whom the other illegal votes were cast.

"In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, investigators said they found clear evidence of fraud, including more than 200 cases of felons voting illegally and more than 100 people who voted twice, used fake names or false addresses, or voted in the name of a dead person," it added. "Moreover, there were 4,500 more votes cast than voters listed."

Today, in the era of Trump and in the midst of a pandemic, the bipartisan agreement from that commission is long since gone. Democrats are pressing hard to deploy widespread mail-in voting and reject picture ID and other validation efforts.

Trump and his Republican allies, like Attorney General William Barr, are more aligned with the sentiments of the 2005 commission's warnings.

Mail-in ballots are "open to fraud and coercion," the attorney general told CNN this week, citing a recent prosecution in which a single Texas suspect submitted 1,700 fraudulent ballots.


Barr's comments are backed by court cases, showing several hundred prosecutions of voter fraud involving mail-in ballots over the last two decades. Just the News recently identified several dozen voter fraud cases brought just in the last couple of years. And a New Jersey community even has been forced this year to redo an election because of widespread fraud.

Left-leaning reporters mock these concerns with headlines like this from CNN's Chris Cillizza: "Bill Barr's indefensible defense of 2020 voter fraud." Or take this headline from The Washington Post: "Barr carries Trump's election fraud water with a smile."

The media and its Democrats allies have shifted the debate, arguing that absent widespread, systemic voter fraud there should be no worries or action taken and that voter ID requirements are too restrictive.

The commission in 2005, and its many esteemed Democrats, took a different viewpoint, noting voter fraud did not need to be widespread to have serious consequences.

"The problem, however, is not the magnitude of the fraud. In close or disputed elections, and there are many, a small amount of fraud could make the margin of difference," the commission wrote. "And second, the perception of possible fraud contributes to low confidence in the system. A good ID system could deter, detect, or eliminate several potential avenues of fraud."

Americans seem to share the commission's concerns still today. A Just the News-Scott Rasmussen poll in April found two-thirds of voters believe expanded mail-in voting could increase fraud risks.


https://justthenews.com/politics-po...oup-elder-statesmen-flagged-mail-ballot-fraud

"Fifteen years ago this very month, a bipartisan panel of American statesmen and stateswomen ... studied the future of U.S. elections and issued strong words of caution that the expansion of mail-in voting that began a few years earlier in Oregon posed real fraud risks, especially in close elections."

So the question is, how much voter fraud was actually uncovered in the last 15 years in states with mail-in ballots vs. in states with in-person voting.
 
Why not? How is a lack of postmark evidence of fraud?

Your last part is nothing more than conspiracy theory. There is no evidence to support that speculation. Literally - none.

because that ballot could then be filled out be anyone

no signature of the person who is supposed to be voting? no postmark?

You don't think that is potential for fraud?
 
"Fifteen years ago this very month, a bipartisan panel of American statesmen and stateswomen ... studied the future of U.S. elections and issued strong words of caution that the expansion of mail-in voting that began a few years earlier in Oregon posed real fraud risks, especially in close elections."

So the question is, how much voter fraud was actually uncovered in the last 15 years in states with mail-in ballots vs. in states with in-person voting.
https://www.sos.wa.gov/office/news-releases.aspx#/news/1252

I don’t know about last 15 years, but this is what I found from the 2016 election.
 
because that ballot could then be filled out be anyone

no signature of the person who is supposed to be voting? no postmark?

You don't think that is potential for fraud?
amazing.. "every vote counts" even the ones that are not signed and delivered...morons
 
So what?

How does this lend itself to any kind of "massive voter fraud?"

I mean, particularly when there is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for any kind of coordinated or widespread voter fraud, EVER, in a Presidential campaign?

Why is this such an issue for you? Because you actually believe Trump?

Is this like the time odumbo mocked Romney for suggesting Russia was a threat to the US? You people just say whatever shit comes into your heads
 
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Not relevant.

Why would the court allow ballots that didn't have a proper post mark or other proof of mailing?

Answer, Christiecrite. :D
 
The Atlantic, Miss Marple? The same rag that wrote the Trump military slurs that the people on the ground denied were said?

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She's evading the question, Earl.

Focus on that.

Why would the court allow ballots that didn't have a proper post mark or other proof of mailing?
 
Here is the ruling from the democrat run Supreme Court of Pennsylvania

Current Pennsylvania law states clearly that all mail-in ballots are due by the time polls close on Election Day.



But the court's order adds a three-day extension to receive ballots that are postmarked by 8 p.m. on Election Day. Ballots with a preelection postmark will now be counted as long as they are received by 5 p.m. on Nov. 6, three days after the polls close.

The court also wrote that ballots “received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mailed after Election Day.”

Now why would the court allow ballots that didn't have a proper post mark or other proof of mailing?


Can any JPP leftist give a coherent answer? It seems to be rife with fraud potential.

Of course this will make its way to the Supreme Court and will get thrown out because it violates Article 1 Section 4 of the US Constitution which states clearly that only the legislature can write election law. Clearly the Court is making election law.

If JPP democrats avoid this thread then it is clear that they know the whole point of this is to cheat

I live in PA. The other day, I got paperwork for a mail-in ballot and it said that the ballot must be counted by election day and that, even with a postmark dated before election day, the vote won't count if received after election day.

So did you make this up or what?
 
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