Intell: Russia Interfering Again. We Don't Want To Know. Shoot The Messenger.

Bernie is trying to fundamentally alter the American economy. It's not some benign "working for the people not special interest" soundbite.

He will cause a financial meltdown without a shadow of a doubt. These lunatics ought to look overseas and stop being so fucking parochial. Look at the mess Hollande caused in France and he wasn't anywhere near as left wing as Colonel Sanders. He had to do a swift about turn but the damage was already done. I predict that it wouldn't even take a year in Sander's case.

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/07/business/france-hollande-popularity-economy/index.html
 
He will cause a financial meltdown without a shadow of a doubt. These lunatics ought to look overseas and stop being so fucking parochial. Look at the mess Hollande caused in France and he wasn't anywhere near as left wing as Colonel Sanders. He had to do a swift about turn but the damage was already done. I predict that it wouldn't even take a year in Sander's case.

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/07/business/france-hollande-popularity-economy/index.html
because our Congress is no longer a 'serious' institution -it's just a bunch of "parochial" partisans
who only care about politics.
they are reactionaries. they don't even entertain debate anymore -just speechifying

I can't overstate this enough. Congress is full of silly people. they are swamp critters -nothing more
 
They definitely aren't the party of Clinton. Hell, they aren't even the party of Obama today. But both parties have changed over time. Republicans are no longer the party of Reagan and are not the party of Bush either. Who knows what will become of the party post Trump.

Everything is in flux.

But Trump is no fundamental transformer lol.

His policies are pretty run of the mill conservative: strong military, tax cuts, secure border, emphasis on strong economy etc. Those are things republicans have been trying to get done since Reagan. The only thing ‘radical’ is Trump, himself. He’s a unique politician. Hopefully, when he’s gone republicans will have learned how to fight from him.

If Bernie becomes the leader of the Democrat Party [not a given btw] they will have transformed into a radical party that wants to radically change our economy.
 
Hello dukkha,

economic performance has nothing to do with "corruption" - or minimally so
Putin has been going after that as well
https://www.voanews.com/europe/new-reports-highlight-russias-deep-seated-culture-corruption
Among Putin measures lauded by outside experts are e-governance efforts and a public blacklist of government officials fired over a “loss of confidence.”

State media portray Putin as something of an anti-corruption folk hero, seemingly alone trying to rein in Russia’s vast network of amoral civil servants.

A popular improv sketch show famously runs skits showing Putin lambasting terrified corrupt officials with a sudden appearance and kick in the pants, and the All Russia People'sFront, a Putin-linked political coalition, published a series of animated videos showing Putin catching and graphically executing corrupt regional politicians.
Meanwhile it’s not uncommon to see salacious state media TV reports detailing sting operations against governors, policemen and bureaucrats, often caught holding bags of cash.

~~

the sanctions ( denying the oligarchs access to western banks) and preventing Ukraine from joining Russia's Eurasian Economic Union ( what the Euromaidan was all about) have driven Russia not to use dollars for exchange.
That of course makes trade with the west almost impossible, and is why China and Russia have their own
trade not done in western currencies

Without banking or trade, Russia is reduced to a "glorified gas station" as McCain put it

From your own link:

Russia "scored 137th out of 180 countries in the Transparency International corruption index published last week."

If Putin is 'fighting corruption' he is not doing a very good job. I would guess it is largely a faux corruption fight because Putin is as corrupt as they come. So he has somebody who he doesn't like, somebody has gotten too powerful, so he takes them out on corruption charges. Very publicly, so he can turn it into propaganda claiming he is the fighter of corruption. Easy to do since most of Russia, including Putin, is highly corrupt. This is how Putin cements his power, by preventing anyone from challenging him.

Look at DT. He is an extremely corrupt president and he has the nerve to claim he is fighting corruption by using bribery to try to force Ukraine into investigating Biden. More of the same Putin-style BS. Believable enough for the gullible to swallow. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

DT took a page right out of Putin's book.

The last thing we need is for our 'dear leader' to be emulating the strongman leader of one of the most corrupt nations on Earth.

DT needs to be removed from office and convicted on fraud and tax evasion charges, then locked up with no cell phone.
 
But Trump is no fundamental transformer lol.

His policies are pretty run of the mill conservative: strong military, tax cuts, secure border, emphasis on strong economy etc. Those are things republicans have been trying to get done since Reagan. The only thing ‘radical’ is Trump, himself. He’s a unique politician. Hopefully, when he’s gone republicans will have learned how to fight from him.

If Bernie becomes the leader of the Democrat Party [not a given btw] they will have transformed into a radical party that wants to radically change our economy.

The old Socialist and lunatic, Bernie, isn’t even a Democrat..except when he is...at election time.

Go Bernie!
 
Hello cawacko,

Liberals have proclaimed for decades that demographics are destiny and that the Republican Party will die out/be destroyed yet here we are.

The Republican party survives thanks to gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts.

An a big helping of pure propaganda, truth denial.

But hey. Congrats are in order for the most astonishingly brazen propaganda out there.

Republican propaganda:

'The media is the enemy of the people.

'There are actual facts and 'alternative facts.' We are free to choose which to believe. Reality is what you believe, not what actually exists.'

'No amount of lying is a bad thing because the other side has been caught in a few lies.'

If Democrats do something bad, it is a very bad thing for America. But the good part is that makes it OK for Republicans to do the very same thing, and now it's perfectly OK. What could possibly be better for Republicans? A Democrat does something, say Senator Al Franken gets caught in a photo of him goofing around and pretending to fondle a sleeping reporter (but not actually touching her,) and he is forced to resign. No charges even filed. A Republican presidential candidate is shown in a Hollywood Access video boasting about how he can have his groping way with women, including have intercourse, because: "When you're a big star they let you," and Republicans proceed to elect him. Total double standard on morality.

Propaganda, gerrymandering, voter suppression are the only things keeping the Republican party from being overwhelmed by demographic numbers. That's a fact. And the joke is on the American people.
 
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Hello cawacko,



Thanks to gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts.

An a big helping of pure propaganda, truth denial.

But hey. Congrats are in order for the most astonishingly brazen propaganda out there.

Republican propaganda:

The media is the enemy of the people.

There are actual facts and 'alternative facts.' We are free to choose which to believe. Reality is what you believe, not what actually exists.

No amount of lying is a bad thing because the other side has been caught in a few lies.

If Democrats do something bad, it is a very bad thing for America. But the good part is that makes it OK for Republicans to do the very same thing, and now it's perfectly OK. What could possibly be better for Republicans? A Democrat does something, say Senator Al Franken gets caught in a photo of him goofing around and pretending to fondle a sleeping reporter (but not actually touching her,) and he is forced to resign. No charges even filed. A Republican presidential candidate is shown in a Hollywood Access video boasting about how he can have his groping way with women, including have intercourse, because: "When you're a big star they let you," and Republicans proceed to elect him. Total double standard on morality.

Propaganda, gerrymandering, voter suppression are the only things keeping the Republican party from being overwhelmed by demographic numbers. That's a fact. And the joke is on the American people.
The fake news media, CNN, MSNBC, NPR and others are enemies of the people.

They disseminate false information about President Trump and suppress his favorable news.
 
Hello Darth,

I think it’s more what the democrats are doing to themselves.

Odds are good the democrats are going to nominate an actual socialist for president.

Bernie has not endorsed anything more socialist that what FDR proposed. Bernie is the modern day FDR, one of our greatest presidents.

And the clarification needs to be made between socialism and Democratic Socialism.

There is a difference there the Republicans stupidly choose to overlook.
 
Hello archives,

It is only "crossing the Rubicon" to those with a 20th Century Cold War understanding of socialism, as Bernie continues more people were realize he is not talking gulags, nationalizing industries, or taking over the factors of production, rather making Gov't work for people and not special interests

Like FDR.
 
Hello Darth,



Bernie has not endorsed anything more socialist that what FDR proposed. Bernie is the modern day FDR, one of our greatest presidents.

And the clarification needs to be made between socialism and Democratic Socialism.

There is a difference there the Republicans stupidly choose to overlook.

Lol. “Bernie is the modern day FDR.’
Bernie is a stone, bloody Socialist and couldn’t carry FDR’s briefcase.

There is no bloody Socialism light.

Would you care to see how Americans feel about bloody Socialism?
 
But Trump is no fundamental transformer lol.

His policies are pretty run of the mill conservative: strong military, tax cuts, secure border, emphasis on strong economy etc. Those are things republicans have been trying to get done since Reagan. The only thing ‘radical’ is Trump, himself. He’s a unique politician. Hopefully, when he’s gone republicans will have learned how to fight from him.

If Bernie becomes the leader of the Democrat Party [not a given btw] they will have transformed into a radical party that wants to radically change our economy.

No question the corporate tax reform, deregulation, conservative judges and increased military spending are straight out of the traditional Republican playbook.

Where he has changed the party is on several fronts. Trade is one. Republicans have never been monolithic on this issue but generally speaking the party has been for free trade. Clearly that has changed now. Remains to be seen what we do once Trump leaves office. Immigration is the other and I don't mean illegals. Reagan and Bush to a degree always spoke of America as the greatest place on Earth and encourage those from all over the world to come here. We now have people pushing to reduce legal immigration and while Trump flip flops on that sometimes he has backed it. The last one is character. None of these a*hole politicians are perfect. We hold them up on a pedestal but at the end of the day they are still people. But we (Republicans) used to give lip service to character mattering and now we've thrown that out the window.

So we'll see what happens. I'm sure we'll all be here to discuss it. :)
 
Hello cawacko,

Bernie is trying to fundamentally alter the American economy. It's not some benign "working for the people not special interest" soundbite.

'Working for the people not special interest' is exactly what Bernie is doing.

That has angered the special interests, who have predictably trotted out their most emotional propaganda.

The question is: Do we want an America that works for the people?

Or one that works for the greediest billionaires.
 
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is rising in the polls among Democrats, but questions about his electability against President Trump persist because he self-identifies as a democratic socialist.

A new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll backs up the idea that the label could hurt him.

Asked about their impression of socialism, 28% of adults said they have a favorable view, while 58% said they had an unfavorable one.

Poll: Sanders Leads The Field, Bloomberg Qualifies For His 1st Debate
ELECTIONS
Poll: Sanders Leads The Field, Bloomberg Qualifies For His 1st Debate
If socialism is so unpopular with Americans, how can Sanders be on the rise in the Democratic primary? Because Democrats and, more specifically, progressives view socialism favorably. Half of Democrats said so, while more than two-thirds of progressives did.

Just 23% of independents, though, and 7% of Republicans viewed socialism favorably.“
npr.org
 
Hello cawacko,



The Republican party survives thanks to gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts.

An a big helping of pure propaganda, truth denial.

But hey. Congrats are in order for the most astonishingly brazen propaganda out there.

Republican propaganda:

'The media is the enemy of the people.

'There are actual facts and 'alternative facts.' We are free to choose which to believe. Reality is what you believe, not what actually exists.'

'No amount of lying is a bad thing because the other side has been caught in a few lies.'

If Democrats do something bad, it is a very bad thing for America. But the good part is that makes it OK for Republicans to do the very same thing, and now it's perfectly OK. What could possibly be better for Republicans? A Democrat does something, say Senator Al Franken gets caught in a photo of him goofing around and pretending to fondle a sleeping reporter (but not actually touching her,) and he is forced to resign. No charges even filed. A Republican presidential candidate is shown in a Hollywood Access video boasting about how he can have his groping way with women, including have intercourse, because: "When you're a big star they let you," and Republicans proceed to elect him. Total double standard on morality.

Propaganda, gerrymandering, voter suppression are the only things keeping the Republican party from being overwhelmed by demographic numbers. That's a fact. And the joke is on the American people.

I know, Republicans have never actually "won" an election in the past 50 years. It's all cheating although somehow the uneducated redneck hillbilly's can figure out how to vote while educated liberals can't.
 
Hello cawacko,



'Working for the people not special interest' is exactly what Bernie is doing.

That has angered the special interests, who have predictably trotted out their most emotional propaganda.

The question is: Do we want an America that works for the people?

Or one that works for the greediest billionaires.
The old Socialist and fanatic, Bernie, has been in Congress for 100 years, what exactly has he done for the working people of America?

He has enriched himself under Capitalism (3 homes and a net worth of 3 million dollars) and now wants to destroy the very system that enriched him...Capitalism.
 
Hello Darth
But Trump is no fundamental transformer lol.

His policies are pretty run of the mill conservative: strong military, tax cuts, secure border, emphasis on strong economy etc. Those are things republicans have been trying to get done since Reagan. The only thing ‘radical’ is Trump, himself. He’s a unique politician. Hopefully, when he’s gone republicans will have learned how to fight from him.

If Bernie becomes the leader of the Democrat Party [not a given btw] they will have transformed into a radical party that wants to radically change our economy.

Yeah, change our economy into one that works for most people instead of primarily for the few who are well off.

Extreme wealth inequality hurts us. We have to stop ignoring this if we want a truly vibrant America.

Half of America is not in the stock market. Over half of stocks are owned by the super-rich. Half of America is left out of a soaring stock market, and most of the rest is left behind by the few. That is not working very well for most of America.

And Republicans are ignoring the debt.
 
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