Last time I was there it was the same. I only went north of Governors Harbor once.
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I always liked the smaller ones better.
The Bahamians say eat the small ones because the big ones are the reproducers.
His admitted drinking and substance abuse aren't helping either.
signalmankenneth
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Even without engines a Lear jet can glide, I wonder what happen for it to dive at a high rate of speed into the ground?!!
Yes, a Learjet can glide without engine power. Like all aircraft, it can maintain lift and glide for a considerable distance depending on its altitude and glide ratio.
Can I come live at your house?
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Not if wings are icedEven without engines a Lear jet can glide, I wonder what happen for it to dive at a high rate of speed into the ground?!!
Yes, a Learjet can glide without engine power. Like all aircraft, it can maintain lift and glide for a considerable distance depending on its altitude and glide ratio.
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Victims of Fiery Palm Beach Jet Crash Identified as Texas Family of 4 and Their Nanny
Victims of Fiery Palm Beach Jet Crash Identified as Texas Family of 4 and Their Nanny
The victims of the fiery private jet crash in Florida have been identified. The Learjet 60 that went down in the Palm Beach area on Sunday, November 1, was carrying a family of four from Texas, along ...
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ice severely disrupts the aerodynamics required to maintain lift and control.Even without engines a Lear jet can glide, I wonder what happen for it to dive at a high rate of speed into the ground?!!
Yes, a Learjet can glide without engine power. Like all aircraft, it can maintain lift and glide for a considerable distance depending on its altitude and glide ratio.
signalmankenneth
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They are now saying the jet may have lost it's tail and that would cause a steep dive?!! And all modern jets have deicers too?!!
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It was coming down over it's speeds rating, they said it hit over mach 1 on impact, shit comes apart dropping 27,000 ft in a minute
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Thunderstorms can grow faster than an aircraft can climb, and they frequently overshoot the tropopause. A cell that is at 35โ40,000 ft can reach 45โ50,000+ ft in a short time, as the cell that brought down the Learjet yesterday did. Once you are committed to a climb over it, you may have nowhere left to go.Even if the top is below your altitude, the updrafts, turbulence, and icing associated with a rapidly intensifying cell can extend well above the visible or radar-indicated top.High-altitude performance is limited. A Learjet (or most business jets) at FL350โFL410 is already near its service ceiling in many conditions; the ability to climb another 5โ10,000 ft quickly, especially in warmer or turbulent air, is not guaranteed.Onboard weather radar has limitations at high altitude (attenuation, beam width, and the fact that it shows precipitation, not the full extent of turbulence or icing risk). What looks like a gap or a lower top can change rapidly.Standard guidance saysAviation training and operating procedures (FAA, company ops manuals, etc.) emphasize:Avoid thunderstorms by at least 20 nm laterally when possible.Do not fly under or through them.Do not rely on flying over them as a primary strategy, especially with any indication of rapid development.If deviation is needed for safety of flight, do it and advise ATC; you do not need a clearance first to avoid an immediate hazard.Only an experienced pilot might know this at a 'gut' level.
@SeosQuinn
Thunderstorms can grow faster than an aircraft can climb, and they frequently overshoot the tropopause. A cell that is at 35โ40,000 ft can reach 45โ50,000+ ft in a short time, as the cell that brought down the Learjet yesterday did. Once you are committed to a climb over it, you may have nowhere left to go.Even if the top is below your altitude, the updrafts, turbulence, and icing associated with a rapidly intensifying cell can extend well above the visible or radar-indicated top.High-altitude performance is limited. A Learjet (or most business jets) at FL350โFL410 is already near its service ceiling in many conditions; the ability to climb another 5โ10,000 ft quickly, especially in warmer or turbulent air, is not guaranteed.Onboard weather radar has limitations at high altitude (attenuation, beam width, and the fact that it shows precipitation, not the full extent of turbulence or icing risk). What looks like a gap or a lower top can change rapidly.Standard guidance saysAviation training and operating procedures (FAA, company ops manuals, etc.) emphasize:Avoid thunderstorms by at least 20 nm laterally when possible.Do not fly under or through them.Do not rely on flying over them as a primary strategy, especially with any indication of rapid development.If deviation is needed for safety of flight, do it and advise ATC; you do not need a clearance first to avoid an immediate hazard.Only an experienced pilot might know this at a 'gut' level.
Someone on X says that with private jets such as this sometimes pilots feel the pressure of what the passengers want, something that does not exist with commercial aviation.
I want to hear an expert talking about the range of this plane.......I wonder if they did not fly around this storm because it would have required a refueling stop.....which would have been a problem for the passengers re both cost and time.
I want to hear an expert talking about the range of this plane.......I wonder if they did not fly around this storm because it would have required a refueling stop.....which would have been a problem for the passengers re both cost and time.
Well that's one way of avoiding Bernie's billionaire taxVictims of Fiery Palm Beach Jet Crash Identified as Texas Family of 4 and Their Nanny
Victims of Fiery Palm Beach Jet Crash Identified as Texas Family of 4 and Their Nanny
The victims of the fiery private jet crash in Florida have been identified. The Learjet 60 that went down in the Palm Beach area on Sunday, November 1, was carrying a family of four from Texas, along ...www.yahoo.com
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Roughly 2,180 to 2,450 nautical miles (2,500 to 2,820 miles)
Texas to the Bahamas is about 1,150 to 1,405 miles (1,850 to 2,260 km), depending on your starting and ending cities.
Into the Night
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Amazing what heavy icing can do, isn't it?At least 9 dead.
This is incredible....
Into the Night
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Kind of.
When a jet like that (a Lear) loses control due to heaving icing, that's what it becomes.
Into the Night
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Natural. Man cannot create such storms.
This storm was massive as I understand it, they may not have taken on enough fuel to fly around it.
Into the Night
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None.
The cause was heavy icing.
ATC doesn't monitor weather on the screens.
The aircraft was climbing with light to moderate icing conditions when it flew through the storm cell and suddenly encountered very heavy icing conditions.
Ceiling. No, it wasn't. That storm's base cloud was no more then 1000 ft.
He was not trying to turn. One wing dropped before the other, putting her into an uncontrolled spiral and loss of control.
Yes. The pilot knew the plane was doomed. There is no way to recover from such a loss of control due to icing in that kind of plane.
By the time the plane hit the ground it was overspeeding and almost inverted.
In something slower like a piston aircraft, there MIGHT be enough time for the ice to thaw (they tend to be high drag and slower flyers)...but it's dicey.
That model of Learjet does have anti-icing equipment, but it can only handle light icing conditions. The storm core created very heavy icing conditions suddenly, beyond the capabilities of the equipment on board to cope with it.
Some planes install weather radar to look out for such storms so they can be avoided. I don't think this jet was so equipped. It's not common on Learjets.
Some times ATC does everything right, the pilot does everything right, but a storm comes up to smite thee.
Into the Night
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A hidden cell. A nasty one at that.