Los Angeles police fatally shot a 14-year-old girl in a Burlington Coat Factory while

[T. A. Gardner]

Were there innocent bystanders there?

Don't know. I do know that most police departments issue subsonic rounds for officer use. Whether that's the case here, I don't know. Subsonic rounds don't have a lot of penetration due to their lower velocity. They were specifically designed to not penetrate much of anything beyond the first thing they hit. Thus, a round penetrating a couple of sheets of drywall would normally have lost sufficient velocity to make it less than lethal.

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/subsonic-9mm-ammo/

 

[AProudLefty]

Don't know. I do know that most police departments issue subsonic rounds for officer use. Whether that's the case here, I don't know. Subsonic rounds don't have a lot of penetration due to their lower velocity. They were specifically designed to not penetrate much of anything beyond the first thing they hit. Thus, a round penetrating a couple of sheets of drywall would normally have lost sufficient velocity to make it less than lethal.

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/subsonic-9mm-ammo/

Does a dressing room typically have sheets of drywall at those types of clothing stores?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Does a dressing room typically have sheets of drywall at those types of clothing stores?

Commercial construction would require a partition wall to have metal stud and 1/2" drywall applied to both sides. If the wall were considered more than a partition--that is an actual wall separating two spaces, like an office the drywall would be required to be Type X 5/8" fire shield.

 

[Walt]

Commercial construction would require a partition wall to have metal stud and 1/2" drywall applied to both sides. If the wall were considered more than a partition--that is an actual wall separating two spaces, like an office the drywall would be required to be Type X 5/8" fire shield.

If you are looking to create an actual wall to separate two spaces from possible fire, then yes. A dressing room can be shielded with a temporary piece of cloth.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

If you are looking to create an actual wall to separate two spaces from possible fire, then yes. A dressing room can be shielded with a temporary piece of cloth.

According to the articles on this, the wall facing the officers was a drywall one and the dressing rooms were not visible to them.

 

[AProudLefty]

According to the articles on this, the wall facing the officers was a drywall one and the dressing rooms were not visible to them.

Did the cop has a reason to fire at the dressing room?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Did the cop has a reason to fire at the dressing room?

I would assume it was in the line of fire behind the suspect and the officer and the officer missed with one or more rounds hitting the suspect.

 

[Blackcat13th]

I wonder how bad she got hit. Anyone find that detail yet? Hope it was quick.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I wonder how bad she got hit. Anyone find that detail yet? Hope it was quick.

Fatally.

Normally I'd assume it was a single round that hit her but since it's the LAPD, it could be four or five.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

and how far away was he .... and when was the last time ALL of the involved popo's were at the range ... and what were their scores ...

Still no excuse for stupidity with a firearm. Know your target and what's behind it. That should have been taught from the beginning.

 

[Blackcat13th]

Fatally.

Normally I'd assume it was a single round that hit her but since it's the LAPD, it could be four or five.

Yeah but, could change quite a bit. Im guessing she caught one in the head.

 

[Blackcat13th]

Still no excuse for stupidity with a firearm. Know your target and what's behind it. That should have been taught from the beginning.

Oh sure, we're just supposed to believe they're the one precinct not taught to fire center mass? Not a teaching issue, not a learning issue, certainly not a training issue....

Pig unions, man.... keep the heat on them pig unions. Theyve been legislating by policy like it wasnt completely fkn illegal and for much too long.

Verified criminal organization.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

Oh sure, we're just supposed to believe they're the one precinct not taught to fire center mass? Not a teaching issue, not a learning issue, certainly not a training issue....

Pig unions, man.... keep the heat on them pig unions. Theyve been legislating by policy like it wasnt completely fkn illegal and for much too long.

Verified criminal organization.

Being overzealous with a firearm is a common sense issue. One of the first things taught.

The "pig unions" (despite myself not being a fan of unions) has nothing to do with knowing
your target and what's behind it. Accidents with firearms aren't "accidents," especially when
firing in a crowded area (such as a department store). How many rounds were fired?

 

[Matt Dillon]

Yes. So why did the bullet go through a changing room? Does the cop have a bad aim? Did he think the changing room was a danger to him?



The LV shooter was floors up. The cops would have to shoot at a downward angle to even hit anyone on the ground.

9mm pierces a lot further than is optimal for shooting in a crowded area. Shotguns and .45s are better.

A 9mm hardball can go completely through 2 people easy.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Duch spreads the homophilia cheer...

That's cheer?

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

9mm pierces a lot further than is optimal for shooting in a crowded area. Shotguns and .45s are better.

A 9mm hardball can go completely through 2 people easy.

Shotgun in a crowded area? HUH?

A .45 packs quite a punch, far more than a 9MM (which is a "scaled down" .38).

 

[Matt Dillon]

Does a dressing room typically have sheets of drywall at those types of clothing stores?

Drywall..ain't stopping a 9mm. Start @ 3:00 in.

Goes through 22 sheets.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

Drywall..ain't stopping a 9mm. Start @ 3:00 in.

Goes through 22 sheets.

Even a pellet can penetrate 2 sheets of drywall

5:28 of this presentation

 

[Matt Dillon]

Shotgun in a crowded area? HUH?

A .45 packs quite a punch, far more than a 9MM (which is a "scaled down" .38).

A spready shotgun load is not necessary.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

A spready shotgun load is not necessary.

All shotgun loads spread, even .00 buckshot from my Mod. 1100 goose gun. You recommend a slug then? Hmmm...