Lying Weasel Fauci's Infatuation with Fame, While People were Dying

[Damocles]

There has always been immigration into the United States, you are trying to create causation where there is no evidence of it. Measles can come from visitors, Americans who travel outside the States, legal immigrants, Green card holders, people with work or education visas, or undocumented immigrants. I am not virologist, but I suspect it could come in due to trade, goods coming into the USA, or ship workers bringing the goods to the USA.

To try to blame undocumented for it is like blaming Alpha Sintari for your Sunburn.

It takes both sides of the equation to make it matter.

First you have to tell people that the disease is "eliminated in the US" so they get a bit lackadaisical in vaccinating for it in certain areas (definitely doesn't map to "MAGA" this part took decades and had to be happening before MAGA existed). Then you have to have someone that lets enough people in unchecked so that the infection is reintroduced. Enough have to get past the border that are either uncaught or simply let go into the interior without the HHS checks that would vaccinate the children.

The first step took decades to happen to a level where areas existed where it could spread. The second happened in one four year period.

The timeline stands up to scrutiny. Mostly because it is what happened.

Anyway it always ends with:

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Profit! (mostly for Fauci, but you get the idea, also for QP! this is a South Park reference and is sarcasm, because you are too stupid to recognize it when it happens nearby)...

 

[Jarod]

It takes both sides of the equation to make it matter.

First you have to tell people that the disease is "eliminated in the US" so they get a bit lackadaisical in vaccinating for it in certain areas (definitely doesn't map to "MAGA"). Then you have to have someone that lets enough people in unchecked so that the infection is reintroduced. Enough have to get past the border that are either uncaught or simply let go into the interior without the HHS checks that would vaccinate the children.

The first step took decades to happen to a level where areas existed where it could spread. The second happened in one four year period.

The timeline stands up to scrutiny. Mostly because it is what happened.

You left out the part where the Trumppers told them Vaccines are evil.

You simply cannot, as you tried to do, pinpoint that undocumented people are what caused the new outbreaks.

 

[Damocles]

You left out the part where the Trumppers told them Vaccines are evil.

Nah. You had decades of lax vaccination after it was announced in Y2K that it was "eliminated". I get that you really really want it to be MAGA... but the map shows differently. Though, it could play a part, the reintroduction is the only step that must happen for the disease to be reintroduced... the rest are simply setting up a condition in which it can spread.

We get to thank your Braindead Hero for that part... He singlehandedly reintroduced an eliminated disease to the US. You should be so proud... All those Viruses got their 1st Amendment Right to Assemble...

 

[Jarod]

Nah. You had decades of lax vaccination after it was announced in Y2K that it was "eliminated". I get that you really really want it to be MAGA... but the map shows differently.

I do not want anything other than reality.

It sure seemed to happen first in very Trumppy areas and right after they attacked the Trump vaccine (remember he wanted it named that, he WAS very proud of it).

Sure undocumented peoples likely contributed, but no more than many other factors. You simply can't blame your fav. scapegoat.

 

[Diogenes]

I do not want anything other than reality.

I don't believe you, Brad.

 

[WCM]

His focus was on Dancing With the Stars for five minutes... How much of his focus was wasted on trump demanding attention?

You can feel how you want to feel about Fauci's lies and BS, Walt.

I can't convince you that Fauci blaming a pangolin for covid when it was most likely his own fault, is a bigger deal than Trump saying "It didn't rain during my inauguration speech" when there were actually 3 droplets of water per sq inch over the span of 17 minutes.

You get to choose what to be angry about and what you consider to be "accurate enough" based on your own criteria, but if you admit to it in public, then we get to make our own judgments about your intelligence how smart you are (sorry for using "big words" there).

 

[Damocles]

I do not want anything other than reality.

Yet you try to blame things that began in 2000 on "MAGA"... Bill Clinton was President when they declared this disease "eliminated" beginning the path towards vaccination gaps. Of course those alone would not have caused the spread of the disease, it had to be reintroduced. In normal circumstances folks coming in get vaccinations from the HHS... but if they come in droves and many are simply released with court orders and kids remain unvaxed and sometimes unchecked for infection you have a pathway to reintroduction.

It sure seemed to happen first in very Trumppy areas and right after they attacked the Trump vaccine (remember he wanted it named that, he WAS very proud of it).

Sure undocumented peoples likely contributed, but no more than many other factors. You simply can't blame your fav. scapegoat.

Yeah, that's when the gaps in vaccinations culminated along with the invitation to invade from your Braindead Hero. You have to have both the reintroduction to go along with vaccination gaps.

They didn't "contribute" they reintroduced a disease that was eliminated in the US... Because your Braindead Hero did not do the simple things to ensure that it stayed that way.

 

[Jarod]

Yet you try to blame things that began in 2000 on "MAGA"... Bill Clinton was President when they declared this disease "eliminated" beginning the path towards vaccination gaps. Of course those alone would not have caused the spread of the disease, it had to be reintroduced. In normal circumstances folks coming in get vaccinations from the HHS... but if they come in droves and many are simply released with court orders and kids remain unvaxed and sometimes unchecked for infection you have a pathway to reintroduction.

Yeah, that's when the gaps in vaccinations culminated along with the invitation to invade from your Braindead Hero. You have to have both the reintroduction to go along with vaccination gaps.

They didn't "contribute" they reintroduced a disease that was eliminated in the US... Because your Braindead Hero did not do the simple things to ensure that it stayed that way.

Yup, that's the only way measles could get in?

 

[christiefan915]

Nah. You had decades of lax vaccination after it was announced in Y2K that it was "eliminated". I get that you really really want it to be MAGA... but the map shows differently. Though, it could play a part, the reintroduction is the only step that must happen for the disease to be reintroduced... the rest are simply setting up a condition in which it can spread.

We get to thank your Braindead Hero for that part... He singlehandedly reintroduced an eliminated disease to the US. You should be so proud... All those Viruses got their 1st Amendment Right to Assemble...

Lies. This graph doesn't go to the end of the year 2024, but it shows that when there was a large influx of immigrants in 2007, there was no big jump in measles outbreaks. Your argument is that when a lot of immigrants came into the country, measles outbreaks increased. A big increase happened in 2019 which was toward the end of trump's term. Yet trumpers like to say that he brought immigration numbers way down. So how do you square that, a big measles outbreak even though trump said he controlled immigration.

 

[Damocles]

Yup, that's the only way measles could get in?

Well, it doesn't just appear. Someone infected must be allowed in. It is literally the only path to infection in a nation where the disease had been eliminated. In order to spread in multiple areas multiple people who are infected must be let in and they must be transported to those areas with pools of unvaccinated as well.

What we know. They were transporting families that were let in without normal holds, they were issued summonses and never held or checked, did not go through the HHS checks, and then were transported throughout the US. This was how the infection landed in the same places where there were pools of unvaccinated large enough to create events...

No matter how many times you desperately try to blame "MAGA" the science, the math, the maps, the dates, and the reality do not align with what you want.

It always ends with:

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Thank your Braindead Hero.
Profit...

 

[Into the Night]

At the front the Chinese people themselves strongly suspected that the government released this on purpose to kill the old. I tend to doubt it, the people I listen to tend to think it was accidental, but they also say that just about every pandemic of the last 100 years was caused by bugs getting out of labs, that this is the reason gain of function AKA weaponization of bugs must be illegal and not done......understanding that bad actors will do it anyway.

Covid does not kill.

Which way to do we go out....nuclear, biological, or climate catastrophe....all human created?

NOTE: By human created climate crisis I am talking about failed climate engineering.....not CO2.

Climate is not a catastrophe.
Climate is not a crisis.
Climate is not engineering.
Climate is not a chemical.

 

[Damocles]

Lies. This graph doesn't go to the end of the year 2024, but it shows that when there was a large influx of immigrants in 2007, there was no big jump in measles outbreaks. Your argument is that when a lot of immigrants came into the country, measles outbreaks increased. A big increase happened in 2019 which was toward the end of trump's term. Yet trumpers like to say that he brought immigration numbers way down. So how do you square that, a big measles outbreak even though trump said he controlled immigration.

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LOL. You keep misleading yourself. The infected came in during that period. Trump gets in, has no time to start moving folks back, those infected infect folks in the US who lacked vaccines because they were told it was "eliminated" in the US.... and a perfect storm hits.

Your braindead hero invited them in... You need to pay attention to the path of infection. Along with how long it takes for pools of unvaccinated to grow large enough to spread the disease. It took from 2000 to 2024 to get there, then infected were let in at the same time and bused all over the country... some to the places with pools of unvaccinated folks...

Trying to blame this on Trump because it happened in the first year of his Presidency is silliness and ignores the science, the timeline, and you have to simply just "hope" people will not understand that a disease that has been eliminated must be reintroduced to infect a populace.


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Thank your Braindead Hero...
Profit

 

[Into the Night]

Link doofus

RQAA

 

[Diogenes]

Well, it doesn't just appear. Someone infected must be allowed in. It is literally the only path to infection in a nation where the disease had been eliminated. In order to spread in multiple areas multiple people who are infected must be let in and they must be transported to those areas with pools of unvaccinated as well.

What we know. They were transporting families that were let in without normal holds, they were issued summonses and never held or checked, did not go through the HHS checks, and then were transported throughout the US. This was how the infection landed in the same places where there were pools of unvaccinated large enough to create events...

No matter how many times you desperately try to blame "MAGA" the science, the math, the maps, the dates, and the reality do not align with what you want.

It always ends with:

????
Thank your Braindead Hero.
Profit...

• Pre-vaccine era: Hundreds of thousands of U.S. cases annually, with hundreds of deaths.
• Vaccine introduced in 1963; combined MMR later.
• Major progress followed the two-dose recommendation (1989 onward) and high coverage through school requirements and programs like Vaccines for Children.
• By the late 1990s, cases had fallen to very low levels (mostly imported or linked to imports). An expert panel convened by CDC in March 2000 reviewed the data and concluded elimination criteria had been met.

The U.S. maintained this status for over two decades afterward, with annual case counts typically in the dozens to low hundreds (almost all import-related). More recent increases in cases and longer transmission chains have raised concerns about whether the status remains intact, but the original 2000 declaration is well-documented and was the official position for many years.

Most people who cross illegally or are released after encounters do not go through the same medical screening, documentation, or vaccination verification that applies to legal immigrants, refugees processed through formal channels, or even many asylum seekers at ports of entry.

Measles is extremely contagious (R0 typically 12–18).

An unvaccinated or incompletely vaccinated person from a country with ongoing transmission or falling coverage can introduce the virus. Once inside the country—especially in dense living situations such as shelters or certain communities—the risk of secondary spread exists. That is basic epidemiology, not speculation.

 

[christiefan915]

LOL. You keep misleading yourself. The infected came in during that period. Trump gets in, has no time to start moving folks back, those infected infect folks in the US who lacked vaccines because they were told it was "eliminated" in the US.... and a perfect storm hits.

Your braindead hero invited them in... You need to pay attention to the path of infection. Along with how long it takes for pools of unvaccinated to grow large enough to spread the disease. It took from 2000 to 2024 to get there, then infected were let in at the same time and bused all over the country... some to the places with pools of unvaccinated folks...

Trying to blame this on Trump because it happened in the first year of his Presidency is silliness and ignores the science, the timeline, and you have to simply just "hope" people will not understand that a disease that has been eliminated must be reintroduced to infect a populace.


?????
Thank your Braindead Hero...
Profit

You think I'm "blaming" someone when all I'm doing is pointing out correlations. And it was toward the end, not the beginning, of trump's 1st term. I guess you didn't notice that the 2014 outbreak was during Obama's term, yet no one was having a hissy fit about it. And you are STILL avoiding answering why there was no major measles outbreak in 2007 or 2008, when so many immigrants came in. You're not going to persuade me into believing the outbreaks of 2014 or 2019 came from the 2007 immigrants.

 

[Yakuda]

You think I'm "blaming" someone when all I'm doing is pointing out correlations. And it was toward the end, not the beginning, of trump's 1st term. I guess you didn't notice that the 2014 outbreak was during Obama's term, yet no one was having a hissy fit about it. And you are STILL avoiding answering why there was no major measles outbreak in 2007 or 2008, when so many immigrants came in. You're not going to persuade me into believing the outbreaks of 2014 or 2019 came from the 2007 immigrants.

I get why you prefer talking about measles instead of fauci

 

[Into the Night]

You left out the part where the Trumppers told them Vaccines are evil.

When was that, Pretender?

You simply cannot, as you tried to do, pinpoint that undocumented people are what caused the new outbreaks.

Despite that several of them carried typhoid, black death, yellow fever, Covid.

And what about the homeless encampments, where inhabitants are suffering from these same diseases plus cholera, AIDS, parasites, hepatitis A, hepatitis E, trachoma, and of course damage caused by recreational drugs.

You don't care about diseases, Pretender.

 

[Diogenes]

You think I'm "blaming" someone when all I'm doing is pointing out correlations. And it was toward the end, not the beginning, of trump's 1st term. I guess you didn't notice that the 2014 outbreak was during Obama's term, yet no one was having a hissy fit about it. And you are STILL avoiding answering why there was no major measles outbreak in 2007 or 2008, when so many immigrants came in. You're not going to persuade me into believing the outbreaks of 2014 or 2019 came from the 2007 immigrants.

Christiecrite insists, "the 2014 outbreak was during Obama's term, yet no one was having a hissy fit about it".

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The claim is inaccurate on multiple levels.

The 2014 outbreak facts​

2014 saw 667 confirmed measles cases in the U.S.—the highest annual total since elimination in 2000 (until later years surpassed it). The single largest cluster was 383 cases concentrated in under-vaccinated Amish (@Tbird19482) communities in Ohio (mainly March–July 2014).


That outbreak was clearly traced: two unvaccinated Amish men returned from a missionary trip to the Philippines (which was experiencing a major measles epidemic at the time, genotype D9). They introduced the virus into a community with very low MMR coverage (estimated ~14% in affected Amish households). Transmission stayed almost entirely within the Amish population. Public-health response included isolation, quarantine, and vaccinating more than 10,000 people.


Overall that year, 97% of cases were import-associated, mostly involving unvaccinated U.S. residents returning from abroad.

“No one was having a hissy fit” is false​

There was significant media coverage, public-health concern, and political argument in 2014–early 2015:

• CDC and state officials repeatedly highlighted the 20-year high in cases and the role of unvaccinated travelers and under-vaccinated communities.
• The Ohio Amish outbreak received national attention (NPR, CNN, PBS, Vox, New York Times, etc.).
• When the separate Disneyland-linked outbreak began in late 2014/early 2015, vaccination rates, personal-belief exemptions, and “anti-vax” communities became major topics. Politicians including President Obama publicly urged vaccination.

Some voices on the right did try to pin measles on illegal immigration / the 2014 surge of unaccompanied Central American minors. Rush Limbaugh, Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL), and others made claims linking border crossers to measles (and other diseases). Those specific claims were rejected by CDC officials and fact-checkers; the Ohio outbreak had a documented Philippines-Amish travel link, and the Disneyland cluster was not tied to southern-border migrants.


Pointing to 2014 does not erase documented migrant-shelter and detention-center cases in recent years, nor does it eliminate the screening gap for people who enter without formal processing. Both pathways (travel by U.S. residents and introductions via less-screened migration) have produced cases at different times.

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[Jade Dragon]

You think I'm "blaming" someone when all I'm doing is pointing out correlations. And it was toward the end, not the beginning, of trump's 1st term. I guess you didn't notice that the 2014 outbreak was during Obama's term, yet no one was having a hissy fit about it. And you are STILL avoiding answering why there was no major measles outbreak in 2007 or 2008, when so many immigrants came in. You're not going to persuade me into believing the outbreaks of 2014 or 2019 came from the 2007 immigrants.

I'd trust an immigrant to be vaccinated over a diehard Trumper. That statement takes into account that some immigrants might not have as much healthcare access.

 

[Diogenes]

I'd trust an immigrant to be vaccinated over a diehard Trumper. That statement takes into account that some immigrants might not have as much healthcare access.

Triggered Lizard declares (apropos of nothing). "I'd trust an immigrant to be vaccinated over a diehard Trumper. That statement takes into account that some immigrants might not have as much healthcare access".

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Childhood MMR coverage among children of immigrants is highly heterogeneous by parental birth country:

• In a large Washington State study linking immunization records to birth data, children of Mexican-, Indian-, and Filipino-born parents had higher or comparable up-to-date MMR (and DTaP/polio) rates at 36 months than children of two U.S.-born parents.
• Children of Ukrainian-, Russian-, Moldovan-, and some Somali-born parents had substantially lower rates (e.g., Ukrainian-origin children ~41% for ≥1 MMR dose vs. ~86% for U.S.-born parents). Similar patterns held at age 7.

Recent asylum seekers and some refugee groups show elevated susceptibility. A 2023 New York City serology study of asylum seekers found ~27% seronegative for measles (far higher than the general U.S. population range of ~2–12%). Many lack complete prior vaccination records, face language/system barriers, or live in congregate settings where outbreaks can start.

Overall, immigrants and refugees are frequently under-immunized relative to U.S.-born populations for several routine vaccines, though measles-specific patterns depend heavily on origin country and arrival pathway.

Majorities of Republicans still vaccinate their children, and absolute U.S. MMR coverage remains high by historical and international standards.

Bottom line​

“I’d trust an immigrant to be vaccinated over a diehard Trumper” does not hold as a reliable general rule for measles. Some immigrant-origin groups have higher MMR rates than the U.S. average; others (certain Eastern European, Somali, and recent asylum cohorts) have markedly lower rates and have been linked to outbreaks. “Diehard” vaccine-skeptical Trump-supporting parents contribute to rising exemptions and lower local coverage in some communities, but they are a minority even within Republican ranks. Healthcare-access barriers (language, insurance, documentation, fear of authorities) are genuine for many immigrants and can delay or prevent vaccination, consistent with the original statement’s caveat. The claim works better as a rhetorical contrast than as a precise statistical prediction.