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Walt said:
And you have prejudged the entire situation.
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No I haven't. Speculation is a normal part of reasoning. When the facts become known, you go with the facts. Prejudgment requires making conclusions without facts. I didn't do that.
Walt said:
Barriers would have meant the plane would not have hit the car... And we do not know any of the rest yet.
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Walt said:
But again, I do not know.
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Well, now you're being honest. Stupid seems to be your best look.
 
Walt said:
A day ago, @Diogenes had a picture of the pilot as a Black woman dancing in a cockpit without a pilots seat for some reason, so I do not want to take the more recent claims as accurate. But for the sake of argument we will for a minute.

Pilots like to work as close to the 1,000 hour yearly limit as they can. They would normally get 800 to 900 flight hours per year, and 700 is considered the minimum for a full time pilot. If a 55 year old pilot has 7,000 hours, he has about 10 years of flying experience. We would expect a 55 year old to have closer to 30 years of flying experience.

The number could be made up, or wrong. Maybe he came to flying later in life. Maybe he has had long stretches of unemployment. Maybe... Whatever.

@Hawkeye10 @T. A. Gardner @Rusty Bell 65
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And, that's my point. The pilot had years of experience. He had to train for numerous emergency situations. He failed to recognize the landing was a failure and do so early enough to get the plane back in the air, which given its airspeed even halfway down the runway, was more than enough with power back on to put the plane flying and make a go around. He didn't do that. The pilots fucked up. It's that simple.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And, that's my point. The pilot had years of experience. He had to train for numerous emergency situations. He failed to recognize the landing was a failure and do so early enough to get the plane back in the air, which given its airspeed even halfway down the runway, was more than enough with power back on to put the plane flying and make a go around. He didn't do that. The pilots fucked up. It's that simple.
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I have no idea what the pilot did or did not do, AND neither do you. The Blackbox is still being analyzed.
 
I need a second source but I saw a claim that neither the Captain or the FO had hardly any time on aircraft type. This is certainly true for the Captain....he had only been certified for something like 10 weeks, this could have actually been his first flight.
 
Partially accurate, overstated on “first flight.”


  • Captain Joseph Carroll (also spelled Carol), 55: ~7,145 total hours (as of his March medical). 767 type rating in May 2026 — roughly 16 weeks before the crash, in the same ballpark as “something like 10 weeks.”
  • First officer Jaime Felipe Silva Molina, 37: ~2,655 hours (as of August). 767 type rating April 2025 (~17 months). Colombian-trained aeronautical engineer, with 21 Air since early 2025.

Carroll is relatively new to the 767 specifically; Silva Molina is not. Neither number is “hardly any time” in an absolute sense for cargo ops, but the captain’s type time is short. There is no public confirmation this was the captain’s first 767 flight. NTSB has not attributed the event to low time on type.
 
Walt said:
I have no idea what the pilot did or did not do, AND neither do you. The Blackbox is still being analyzed.
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Verdict​


Half right, and already overtaken by public FDR data.


Walt is correct that probable cause is not established and that forum posters cannot reconstruct the crew’s intent, who was flying, what was said, or why systems were or weren’t used. As of the NTSB briefing late Tuesday (8 Sept) and interviews scheduled Wednesday (9 Sept), investigators still wanted the pilots’ account before releasing a CVR readout. A final report is months away. Saying Gardner “knows” they simply screwed up is overreach.


He is not correct that nobody knows what the airplane did. The flight data recorder (one of the two “black boxes”) had already been downloaded and publicly briefed. That record is not speculation; it is measured parameters.


NTSB timeline from the last ~30 seconds of FDR (investigator Chihoon Shin, 8 Sept):


  • ~30 s before end of recording: nose + right main gear down at 158 kt
  • brakes applied (~23 s, ~146 kt)
  • left main gear down later (~19 s, ~134 kt) — asymmetric/late touchdown
  • brakes released and throttles advanced to go-around thrust (~15 s, still ~120 kt / ~138 mph)
  • throttles back to idle and brakes reapplied (~11 s)
  • still ~96 kt at ~7 s; recording ends ~65 kt
  • no indication in the recorded data that speed brakes or thrust reversers were deployed

That is a documented sequence of control positions and aircraft state, not “no idea.” It is consistent with a late, high-energy, unsteady landing and an indecisive attempt to go around after already on the runway — the same pattern Gardner was pointing at from video. It is not the same as a completed official finding of pilot error, mechanical failure, weather, or some mix. Homendy explicitly declined to speculate on what “should have” happened until performance analysis is done.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ya we dont know.....but one thing I want to know is why is a 55 yo pilot with 7000+ hours reclassifying airplane types and hiring on to a cut rate cargo outfit with a shitty reputation in a pilot shortage?

Makes me want to know more about his history.
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Amazon is not a shitty cargo outfit, Chicom.

It was pilot error. He landed way too fast and too far down the runway and as a result was unable to even properly deploy speed brakes or thrust reversers. The outcome is certain. You go off the end of the runway.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The pilot certification is totally FAA....if someone was in the air that should not have been then that would be FAA failure.
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Type certification is not by the FAA, Chicom.
A pilot's license does not expire, Chicom.
He also held a valid medical certification, which is not issued by the FAA.

People are licensed to drive trucks and cars, and still they have stupid accidents.
Why do you think aircraft are any different?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am wondering if he had a lot of time off, and was just now getting back into the air.....was rusty.

7000+ hour and flying like an idiot.....how does that happen?

I hope there was a blood draw.
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Easy. It might have been a model he wasn't fully used to.
Type certification does not automatically make you an expert pilot in that model.

Turns out that the number of hours has nothing to do with a poor decision.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's like claiming that a driving test at the DMV makes you a Formula 1 driver. That line of reasoning is utter bullshit. The pilot had 7,000+ hours of flying time. He should have recognized the landing was messed up and "bolted." Going around was the thing to do.

We'll know more about what went on in the cockpit when the flight recorders are examined, but it's looking like major pilot error and nothing else.
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I agree. The NTSB is investigating any contributing factors, but it looks like the cause is simply pilot error. The NTSB will release their report in typically a year from now. This will be the basis of any lawsuits that will occur out of this.
 
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