Moral relativism

[ZenMode]

I understood. You are concerned with morality around the world.

We are discussing whether or not acts can be objectively immoral. FGM is a good example for that discussion.

 

[Hume]

We are discussing whether or not acts can be objectively immoral. FGM is a good example for that discussion.

ok

 

[IBDaMann]

"Finding" an immoral act to be moral doesn't make it moral.

Declaring a moral act to be immoral doesn't make it immoral.

It is still adults hitting children with boards.

It is still optimal behavior modification where it is optimal behavior modification.

It's odd that you are debating the morality of adults hitting children with boards, but here we are....

So, your official position is that you find it odd that I am discussing moral relativism in a thread titled "Moral relativism" while you declare that you think something that is morally relative is actually morally absolute, yes?

 

[Yakuda]

Yes. The converse is also true. Something might not exist that someone believes does exist.

I completely agree the difference however is if rape has a moral good why is illegal? Are you aware of any society where rape is legal?

 

[Into the Night]

I know what fascism is ! Here is a photo of fascism!View attachment 96676

A capitalist is not a fascist, Melkie. You don't know what fascism even means.
TDS. You are describing Democrats again. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

What is your proof?

Attempted proof in open functional system.
Attempted negative proof fallacy.

 

[ZenMode]

It is still optimal behavior modification where it is optimal behavior modification.

Not that it matters when talking about the morality of hitting children with boards, but Optimal behavior modification according to what/who?

 

[Into the Night]

I completely agree the difference however is if rape has a moral good why is illegal? Are you aware of any society where rape is legal?

Islamic nations, North Korea, Democrats, etc.

Remember also that law is not morals.

 

[Hume]

The Diversity of Morals​

Steven Lukes, The Diversity of Morals,
Reviewed by Jussi Suikkanen

"A minority of dissenting philosophers and most social scientists are introduced as taking seriously the fact that there is a wide variety of local moralities embedded in different traditions, cultures, and religions.

From this second perspective, what for most philosophers seems objectively correct and eternal appears to be the result of contingent factors, such as one’s education and upbringing. This insight then leads to a worthy scientific project of studying the many moralities that exist in the real world.

The Diversity of Morals

The Diversity of Morals is a fascinating and richly interdisciplinary book. In it, Steven Lukes, professor emeritus of sociology at New York University, draws …

ndpr.nd.edu

 

[ZenMode]

I completely agree the difference however is if rape has a moral good why is illegal? Are you aware of any society where rape is legal?

Muslim societies permit sex slaves during war.

 

[Hume]

Attempted proof in open functional system.
Attempted negative proof fallacy.

Attempted proof in open functional system.
Attempted negative proof fallacy.

 

[IBDaMann]

Not that it matters when talking about the morality of hitting children with boards, but Optimal behavior modification according to what/who?

... to the people achieving successful behavior modification using that method.

 

[Into the Night]

How is it oversimplified? Corporal punishment has consistently been linked to aggression toward others, low self-esteem, depression, criminal behavior later in life and anti-social behavior in geneal,

Attempted proof by subjective. Omniscience fallacy.

not to mention that it's, again, ADULTS hitting CHILDREN with boards and exposing them to incredible pain and public humiliation.

Why does getting hit by a board expose one to public humliation?

Does that sound moral?

Depends on who you ask.

 

[Into the Night]

Where is it a common practice?

The United States, the UK, Canada, parts of Germany, etc.

 

[ZenMode]

... to the people achieving successful behavior modification using that method.

Who are these people?

 

[Hume]

The United States, the UK, Canada, parts of Germany, etc.

The United States, the UK, Canada, parts of Germany, etc.

 

[Into the Night]

"Finding" an immoral act to be moral doesn't make it moral. It is still adults hitting children with boards.

...according to your morals.

It's odd that you are debating the morality of adults hitting children with boards, but here we are....

You brought it up. Why do you find topics that you bring up odd?

 

[Into the Night]

Who are these people?

RQAA

 

[Into the Night]

We are discussing whether or not acts can be objectively immoral.

Not possible. Morals are subjective.

FGM is a good example for that discussion.

What is 'FGM'?

 

[Matt Dillon]

And none of them would have wanted to be a slave. This is akin to the trans bullshit. You don't become a woman because you feel like one and slavery doesn't become moral because some people think it's ok.

The Founding Fathers didn't like slavery, and that came up, but they couldn't do away with it at that time because it was an institution beyond their control.