QP!
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Putting people at risk for no good reason and seeing them die is always worse then having people already at risk, trying to save and remove them, and some die.
You have to be dense not to know that.
More Americans died starting the Iran war…
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You have to be dense not to know that.
Tbird19482
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Yep the Trump agreement with the Taliban that gave them everything they had been fighting for for 20 years AND on top of that Trump agreed to even help them,
It may come up Tech diff. if it does just press on it and it will come up so you can read it.
QP!
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Yup.
The US lost 122 people on average a year for that war.
But if you look at only the last 5 years where it was more maintenance mode it was 14 a year average dying.
Biden ended the war and 13 died but he ended the constant death that would follow year over year.
Trump started a war he cannot end that will continue to rack up more and more deaths while idiots like @Yakuda just cheer him on.
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Tbird19482
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They did in Afghanistan because the American troops staying there, like they were doing, was preventing the Taliban from killing the people who helped us during the war.
T. A. Gardner
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The Taliban are now, again, repressing Afghanistan back to the 12th century and the US has another "Vietnam" debacle added to its history. Not a good look for Biden who is widely acknowledged as one of the most clueless politicians and then presidents on foreign affairs.
Biden’s Troubled Foreign Policy Legacy | American Diplomacy Est 1996
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How Biden’s Foreign Policy Destroyed His Presidency
Biden's domestic agenda was the most progressive of any president since Lyndon Johnson. But it was entwined with a foreign policy that leaves his legacy drowned in blood.
www.thenation.com
Biden easily ranks at the very bottom of presidents in foreign affairs.
At this point, I'm not sure. He seems to have wanted to end Iran's nuclear program and when that didn't pan out, settled for regime change that ended up just fracturing Iran's political leadership into a gordian knot of warlords and ineffective politicians.
QP!
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Are you talking about the Taliban terrorists that Trump went directly to, to cut a deal while excluding the Afghanistan government to ensure the US had some back stop as they started the pull out?The Taliban are now, again, repressing Afghanistan back to the 12th century and the US has another "Vietnam" debacle added to its history. Not a good look for Biden who is widely acknowledged as one of the most clueless politicians and then presidents on foreign affairs.
Biden’s Troubled Foreign Policy Legacy | American Diplomacy Est 1996
How Biden’s Foreign Policy Destroyed His Presidency
Biden's domestic agenda was the most progressive of any president since Lyndon Johnson. But it was entwined with a foreign policy that leaves his legacy drowned in blood.
Biden easily ranks at the very bottom of presidents in foreign affairs.
At this point, I'm not sure. He seems to have wanted to end Iran's nuclear program and when that didn't pan out, settled for regime change that ended up just fracturing Iran's political leadership into a gordian knot of warlords and ineffective politicians.
That Taliban? The TERRORISTS Trump did a deal with?
Top US general says Afghan collapse can be traced to Trump-Taliban deal
Afghanistan: US-Taliban deal hastened Afghan collapse, defence officials say
T. A. Gardner
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Wrong answer. Biden made the decision--well his staff likely did--to make a rapid withdrawal. Biden could have scrapped Trump's plan entirely just as he did with other Trump era things, like the border wall.
Biden was under no compunction to follow the Trump plan, and it was his decision to shorten the withdrawal timeline from what Trump had set it at.
So, the debacle in Afghanistan is 100% Biden's fault. Nobody else is to blame here. Biden fucked Afghanistan away. It's that simple.
QP!
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Yes he could have.
And had he and the Taliban then felt betrayed and that the US was again refusing to leave and they attacked killing more American's hoping to raise the cost to get them to leave Terry would be the first one here saying 'Biden incompetence is responsible for this. Trump negotiated and buttoned up a deal for him and all fucking Biden had to do was follow it'.
That is the point. Trump did a terrible deal that put Biden in a mostly unwinnable situation either way.
And no one cares what Terry thinks when top military officials point squarely at the deal Trump cut as the problem.
Imagine being idiotic enough to negotiate with the terrorists alone while shutting out the local gov't you know the US is counting on as they pull out.
T. A. Gardner
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Biden was a mental midget and had a long, decades long, track record of being a foreign policy fuck up. I've already demonstrated that. Afghanistan was just another fuck up by Biden in a long line of fuck ups. A few military officers foisting their opinions on this means nothing.
Actually, looking at your links, it was the opinion of one (1) general and nothing more. I didn't bother to look McKenzie up, but I'll bet he's a Trump hater on top of everything else.
As I stated, Biden ranks at the bottom of presidents when it comes to foreign affairs.
QP!
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And yet Trump not only negotiated with TERRORISTS while locking the actual government out, but he cut a deal so bad America's top generals and other prominent individuals and groups criticized it but due to TDS you will assume it HAD to be a great deal , if Trump did and all criticism is just Trump hate.
WIth your TDS you have nothing to say about that. i imagine if Biden had negotiated with the TERRORISTS while shutting the gov't you would never stop talking about that.
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The 2020 Doha Agreement between the Trump administration and the Taliban drew intense, high-level criticism from military leaders, foreign policy experts, and former officials across the political spectrum. Critics argued the accord heavily favored the insurgents, undermined the internationally recognized Afghan government, and set the stage for the collapse of the Afghan republic. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
The Taliban was always going to get it back, that’s why Trump did not end the war himself. Cowardly behavior.The Taliban are now, again, repressing Afghanistan back to the 12th century and the US has another "Vietnam" debacle added to its history. Not a good look for Biden who is widely acknowledged as one of the most clueless politicians and then presidents on foreign affairs.
Biden’s Troubled Foreign Policy Legacy | American Diplomacy Est 1996
How Biden’s Foreign Policy Destroyed His Presidency
Biden's domestic agenda was the most progressive of any president since Lyndon Johnson. But it was entwined with a foreign policy that leaves his legacy drowned in blood.
Biden easily ranks at the very bottom of presidents in foreign affairs.
At this point, I'm not sure. He seems to have wanted to end Iran's nuclear program and when that didn't pan out, settled for regime change that ended up just fracturing Iran's political leadership into a gordian knot of warlords and ineffective politicians.