NATO encroachent in Russian Black Sea waters is a war waiting to happen

dukkha said:
neither do i - just dont try to smuggle out hash (Midnight Express-1978)

just think he's the anti-Atatürk and go from there
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It was almost like a switch was flipped they gave up on the West and Western values so fast....I really want to understand this.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
And sadly I do not understand Turkey.
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I thought you were quite fluent;

200w.webp



Haw, haw...............................................haw.
 
dukkha said:
thats a whole new level of geopolitics if you look at the link( you;ll see Sweden and Norway and Finland are arming up).

Look Im not here to apologize for Putin - the diplomats were called in and that was that.

The problem is the Black sea was already a flash point when da Russian seized that UK freighter (?)
Tensions are high, it's a lake not an ocean so warships are going to cross each other etc.

whatever the status of Crimea,
Sevastopol was there before annexation and no one claims they dont "recognize" Sevastopol.
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Look at the title of this thread..that's my concern ,,the Russiaphobes are a threat to peace.
The Brits are playing needless dangerous games
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In principle, I do not see any value for NATO warships to patrol the Crimean coast.

But when Russian Navy tests our resolve by penetrating Swedish waters, harassing Alaskan ships, and steaming a veritable fleet around the UK, a response in kind is warranted.

The last thing you want to do with a Russian is let him test your defenses and then do nothing about it
 
Walt said:
Republicans have gone from one extreme to another with Russia. Reagan was against the Russians, even when they were being reasonable. trump is for the Russians, even when it requires him to betray the USA.
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The republicans then continued to trash Gorbachev

They were cheering for Yeltzen


An old drunk who had no idea how to guide Russia from a commie state to a democracy


Yeltson was putty in the hands of the KGB HEAD PUTIN



The republicans under Reagan wanted the easy to manipulate Yeltson over the highly competent Gorbachev



Idiots who never really cared if Russia became a functioning democracy


Imagine a world where Gorbachev succeeded in making it a functioning democracy that then worked with the USA to de escalate the nuke problem


The republicans destroyed that future for cheap assed political gain


It gave the world the endless Putin Russia instead
 
evince said:
Reagan trashed Gorbachev


Remember the “tear down this wall” bit


Gorbachev had already told Ronny he planned to take it down


It was an evil photo op which trashed the man trying to bring freedom to russia
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It started with Ronny rayguns
 
dukkha said:
Russia is prepared to target intruding warships if they fail to heed warnings, a senior Russian diplomat said Thursday in a tough statement in the wake of a Black Sea incident in which a British destroyer sailed near Crimea in an area that Russia claims as its territorial waters.

Russia said one of its warships fired warning shots and a warplane dropped bombs in the path of British destroyer Defender on Wednesday to drive it away from the area near Sevastopol. Britain denied that account, insisted its ship wasn’t fired upon and said it was sailing in Ukrainian waters.

The incident marked the first time since the Cold War that Moscow acknowledged using live ammunition to deter a NATO warship, underlining the rising threat of military collisions amid Russia-West tensions.

Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Thursday that "the inviolability of the Russian borders is an absolute imperative," adding that it will be protected "by all means, diplomatic, political and military if needed."

He sarcastically suggested that the British navy should rename its destroyer from Defender to Aggressor and warned that "those who try to test our strength are taking high risks."

Asked what Russia would do to prevent such intrusions in the future, Ryabkov told reporters it would stand ready to fire on targets if warnings don't work.

RUSSIAN SHIP FIRES WARNING SHOTS AT UK WARSHIP IN BLACK SEA

"We may appeal to reason and demand to respect international law," Ryabkov said, according to the Interfax news agency. "If it doesn’t help, we may drop bombs and not just in the path but right on target if colleagues don’t get it otherwise."

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov deplored what he described as a "deliberate and well-prepared provocation" by Britain and seconded the tough warning.

"If unacceptable provocative actions are repeated, if those actions go too far, no options to legitimately protect the borders of the Russian Federation could be excluded," Peskov said in a call with reporters.

RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY SUMMONS BRITISH DEFENSE ATTACHE OVER BLACK SEA 'WARNING SHOTS' DISPUTE

On Wednesday, the Russian Defense Ministry said a patrol ship fired warning shots after the HMS Defender had ignored a notice against intrusion and sailed 3 kilometers (1.6 nautical miles) into Russia’s territorial waters near Sevastopol, the main Russian naval base in Crimea. It said a Russian Su-24 bomber also dropped four bombs ahead of the vessel to persuade the Defender to change course. Minutes later, the Defender left Russian waters, the ministry said.

Britain denied the Defender had been fired on or that bombs were dropped in its path. It insisted that the ship was making a routine journey through an internationally recognized travel lane and remained in Ukrainian waters. The U.K., like most of the international community, recognizes Crimea as part of Ukraine despite the peninsula's 2014 annexation by Russia.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson would not say whether he had personally approved the Defender’s voyage but suggested the Royal Navy was making a point by taking the route it had.

"The important point is that we don’t recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea, this is part of a sovereign Ukrainian territory," Johnson told reporters Thursday during a visit to an army barracks in England. "It was entirely right that we should vindicate the law and pursue freedom of navigation in the way that we did, take the shortest route between two points, and that’s what we did.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-next-time-may-fire-hit-intruding-warships
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LOOK AT FOX SLOBBERING ALL OVER PUTINS RUSSIA


AND TRASHING AMERICAN IDEALS OF A UNITED WORLD



FOX NEEDS TO DIE
 
HA HA HE HE HE!

Russia does not want a conventional war ass a-whoopin by the NATO NATIONS.

NATO is the one thing that Putin fears!

So please think before you make yourself out to be an idiot in public again OPIE!
 
Cypress said:
In principle, I do not see any value for NATO warships to patrol the Crimean coast.

But when Russian Navy tests our resolve by penetrating Swedish waters, harassing Alaskan ships, and steaming a veritable fleet around the UK, a response in kind is warranted.

The last thing you want to do with a Russian is let him test your defenses and then do nothing about it
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but that's not the reason. The reason is to harass because of the Crimean annexation - why else get that close to Sevastopol?
China claims we do the same in the South China Sea -and we do.
we do it to keep the sea lanes open and to push back on the 9 DASH LINE claims

I think one can say da Russians shouldnt be doing this - although international waters are much different then restricted

My interest is this is it's extremely provocative and can easily lead to live fire
 
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