Nyet, tovarisch, but an expected defense of Mother Russia.
The good news is that you are supporting Russia as an anti-American foreigner, not a former US military officer like Earl.
Opposing Putin Is Like Pleading For Poison
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Nyet, tovarisch, but an expected defense of Mother Russia.
The good news is that you are supporting Russia as an anti-American foreigner, not a former US military officer like Earl.
I am sure there are high level meetings in the Kremlin where they speak to a policy desire to keep opposition groups and democratic activists from having a voice or access to the political process, by using all viable means available.
Wink wink.
I am sure this policy guidance is filtered down through the dark corners of FSB, Ministry of Justice, with tentacles even reaching into the criminal oligarchy and criminal underworld.
A corrupt regime like Putin's has a lot of criminal allies both in and outside of government in Russia.
Putin does not literally have to get directly involved in the dirty work himself
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God, you're a nauseating prick! Trump has imposed swingeing sanctions on Russia over Crimea and on companies involved in the Nordstream 2 pipeline.
there is always a moral dimension to policy.
Even Hitler and Stalin justified what they were doing in their minds on the warped basis of a percived greater good.
The invasions of Panama and Iraq happened after the cold war, when Russia was no viable threat to us, and those invasions had no valid moral or national security dimension.
We supported many horrendous authoritarian rightwing over the years, including to the current day.
We have to be able to legitimately explain these actions if we wish to have the moral authority to lecture others. Just my two cents.
If the question is whether the current regime in Russia is corrupt and ruthlessly pursues its self interest, the answer is indubitably yes.
Panama was a 'tweener. Iraq was a huge mistake and, along with the military leadership, I argued against it.
What does that have to do with the fact anytime someone wants to spread hate against the United States, they bring up Cold War actions but never, ever mention the Soviet's Cold War actions?
Dude, you are free to defend Russia and attack the United States, but expect me to always bring up the issue of context. Something largely ignored by the anti-Americans on all forums.
they were monsters. They had to justify monstrous policies.
Mostly policy is pedestrian evaluating - what do i gain vs. what do i risk if I do that.
My problem with using morality is it might not be in one's best interests to use that as a metric-
I would argue isolating Putin with sanctions does not serve the USA/west's best interests
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Abject subservience lol.
Does anyone else on the planet, besides Trump, bitch about Russia making 10 billion a year selling gas to a NATO member?
Doesn’t that kind of defeat our sanctions?
And what the frick is that all about? Why are we still funding NATO when Europe is so ‘threatened’ by Russia they would allow themselves to be dependent on them for such a critical commodity? Makes zero sense.
Like I told someone else—the left has Russia on the brain. Start talking about China or Turkey and people will start taking you more seriously on foreign policy.
This is not 1981 anymore. NATO's mission is international and has moved well beyond deterring the armed forces of the Warsaw Pact.
NATO is the most sucessful military and political alliance in the history of the world.
Trump is literally too stupid to have a valid opinion on NATO
I wasn't aware that criticising American government policy towards Iraq, Panama, Saudi Arabia was anti-American..
I have a long posting record of speaking to the moral superiority of the system of liberal Western democracy.
My brain is too sophisticated to get bogged down in "USA good! Russia bad!" arguments.
I guarantee you in private, away from TV cameras and public consumption, world leaders from USA, Russia, France, UK, Canada, etc speak frankly to each other, acknowledge mistakes made, acknowledge grievances the other side holds, and despite it discuss ways to cooperate in international areas of mutual interest. They do not say "My side good, your side bad!!" Anyway, that is what my cousin told me, he was a senior government interpreter speaking five languages, and working at summits with world leaders like Bill Clinton, Vladimir Putin, Boris Yeltsin, Canadian prime ministers, etc.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Well, there you go, NATO has nothing much to do with Russia lol.
Trump had the audacity to ask that NATO countries start pulling their weight. Seems such an obvious thing, but somehow it never occurred to another president.
Germany, in particular, got pissy about it but their whining has more to do with not getting as much of our tax dollars than it does Russia.
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It is when someone habitually defends Russia by doing it.
Anyone who is known to give laundry lists about where the US has fucked up, but doesn't do it in context, thereby protecting their own or desired nation, is engaging in bias. Look at the RWNJs on this forum who give a laundry list negatives about minorities but never list context. Do you think they are biased for doing so? Why? Why not?
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You should realize that this forum provides an opportunity for Americans to inform dumbass Americans about what is happening in the world beyond the boundaries of their trailer park.
That isn't ' anti-American'- it's anti-STUPID and it's pro-American intelligence. Dumbass.
Thanks for that biased, foreign POV. It helps prove my point when a foreigner attacks people regardless of what they write and out of context.
It's core mission is defense from a Russian attack -there is no more Warsaw Pact of course.
The problem with NATO is we used it for expansion of the EU.
When we did that; we wound up screwing around in the Ukraine Euromaidan -
NOT for security purposes but to defeat the Russian /Ukraine deal which Yanukovych & Putin had
worked out.
It was forgiving Ukraine nat. gas debts to Russia in return for joining Russia's Eurasian Economic Union
so we got ourselves in the middle of an ECONOMIC situation which we dressed up as corruption/security
It absolutely caused Putin the need to annex Crimea for secure access to Sevastopol
i.e. = Classic "mission creep"on our part, and we wound up taking on Ukraine security needs even though there are non-NATO
agreed. we got a few of us that are really hip to world affairs -
i give you credit as well for advocating for Iran -something I never, ever see in US media
except Trump has been "tough on Putin" as American like to simply say
everybody want to kick Russia, except China, then we wonder WhyTF Russia and china
have economic AND military alliances?
Dummies like Dutch here dumb it down to "murderous dictators" but it's just another facet of realpolitik