plastic: a global environmental calamity

If we wanted to replace plastic in a 5 year span, we could.

Not really. But keep pretending if it makes you feel warm and sleep at night. ;)

It's the same with oil. We're the same species that sent men to the moon. We can do anything we want to, but lobbyists get in the way.

Not really; until you find a way to power a Boeing 747 with leftist blowhard gas, we will be depending on oil.
 
If only Repugniklan filth treated with alarm the global ecological collapse and climate change like they do the corona virus.
Where money is concerned, they always assume the ostrich position.
 
If we wanted to replace plastic in a 5 year span, we could.

It's the same with oil. We're the same species that sent men to the moon. We can do anything we want to, but lobbyists get in the way.
there is nothing like plastics for multiple uses from basically a similar mfg process.
It has EVERY POSSIBLE ADVANTAGE AS A MATERIAL you can concoct

But you can't dispose of it easily.
 
When we talk about plastic, we generally mean "plastics": if you're a diligent recycler, you'll know there are many types of plastic, all of which are different, both chemically (in their molecular makeup) and physically (in the way they behave toward heat, light, and so on).
It's hardly surprising that 3D printers use thermoplastics (plastics that melt when you heat them and turn solid when you cool them back down), and typically one called ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene).

Perhaps most familiar as the material from which LEGO® bricks are made, ABS is also widely used in car interiors (sometimes in outside parts such as hubcaps too), for making the insides of refrigerators,
and in plastic computer parts (it's quite likely the mouse and keyboard you're using right now are made from ABS plastic).

So why is this material used for 3D printing? It's really a composite of a hard, tough plastic (acrylonitrile) with a synthetic rubber (butadiene styrene).
It's perfect for 3D printing because it's a solid at room temperatures and melts at a little over 100°C (220°F), which is cool enough to melt inside the printer without too much heat and hot enough that models printed from it won't melt if they're left in the Sun.
Once set, it can be sanded smooth or painted; another useful property of ABS is that it's a whiteish-yellow color in its raw form, but pigments (the color chemicals in paint) can be added to make it virtually any color at all. According to the type of printer you're using, you feed it the plastic either in the form of small pellets or filaments (like plastic strings).

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The future of 3D printing

Many people believe 3D printing will herald not merely a tidal wave of brash, plastic gimmicks but a revolution in manufacturing industry and the world economy that it drives. Although 3D printing will certainly make it possible for us to make our own things, there's a limit to what you can achieve by yourself with a cheap printer and a tube of plastic.
The real economic benefits are likely to arrive when 3D printing is universally adopted by big companies as a central pillar of manufacturing industry.
First, that will enable manufacturers to offer much more customization of existing products, so the affordability of off-the-shelf mass-production will be combined with the attractiveness of one-off, bespoke artisan craft.
Second, 3D printing is essentially a robotic technology, so it will lower the cost of manufacturing to the point where it will, once again, be cost-effective to manufacture items in North America and Europe that are currently being cheaply assembled (by poorly paid humans) in such places as China and India.
Finally, 3D printing will increase productivity (since fewer people will be needed to make the same things), lowering production costs overall, which should lead to lower prices and greater demand—and that's always a good thing, for consumers, for manufacturers, and the economy.
https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-3d-printers-work.html
 
I take him at his word, I do not believe he would lie or exaggerate. Thanks for the head's up on not being on anyone's side, I'll remember that.

It's not about lying. It's about phenomenology. All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology. He simply believes the garbage he sailed through is the 'Pacific Garbage Patch'. His belief doesn't make it so.
 
Interesting. Sounds like it needs more study tho.



"The bacteria, found in a region of the North Atlantic Ocean called the Sargasso Sea, is clearly breaking down the plastic, but scientists don’t know if the byproduct is environment-friendly waste or a toxin. If a toxin is produced, the effects could be detrimental to aquatic life.
The finding suggests that the vast ‘garbage patches’ that have been found in the world’s oceans may be full of living communities.

The plastic particles can be seen as a type of artificial reef that certain types of microbes can colonize. Since plastic has a much longer residence time in the water column than any natural particle, this could be making a significant impact.

The part of the Sargasso Sea that scientists studied is depleted of phosphorous and other nutrients, in other words, the question is: are the plastic colonizers stealing away phosphorous from other organisms?"

http://sustainablefootprint.org/plastic-eating-bacteria-in-the-oceans/

Studies of these bacteria have been underway for some time now, ever since we found they exist in the ocean and help remove oil spills.
They are just as effective on plastics.
 
lots of stampings and products could be made with hemp.
Hemp is a fibrous plant, useful for making paper and rope (and smoking it if you get the more potent varieties).
Even auto parts.
Nope. Hemp does not make plastic.
That is why it was made illegal.
Hemp is not illegal.
The same reasons, petroleum products, should have brought hemp back years ago.
Hemp never went anywhere. It is still raised as a crop for paper and rope products.
 
all comments are welcome here.
but if you are going to challenge conventional wisdom you should at lest cite ( back up)your claim.
I did the research for you and found this

Plastic Breaks Down in Ocean, After All—And Fast August 20, 2009
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...reaks-down-in-ocean-after-all-and-fast/#close

but it's far from a benign situation -same source I 'll post it entirity as I had to sign up for Email to see it (next post)

Attempted force of negative proof fallacy. Math error. Do you realize just how big an ocean is? Do you realize that almost all of our plastic that we use goes into landfills and never reaches the ocean? Yes, even the recycled stuff goes into the landfill eventually.
 
Though ocean-borne plastic trash has a reputation as an indestructible, immortal environmental villain, scientists announced yesterday that some plastics actually decompose rapidly in the ocean. And, the researchers say, that's not a good thing.

The team's new study is the first to show that degrading plastics are leaching potentially toxic chemicals such as bisphenol A into the seas, possibly threatening ocean animals, and us.

Scientists had previously thought plastics broke down only at very high temperatures and over hundreds of years.

The researchers behind a new study, however, found that plastic breaks down at cooler temperatures than expected, and within a year of the trash hitting the water.

The Japan-based team collected samples in waters from the U.S., Europe, India, Japan, and elsewhere, lead researcher Katsuhiko Saido, a chemist with the College of Pharmacy at Nihon University in Japan, said via email.

All the water samples were found to contain derivatives of polystyrene, a common plastic used in disposable cutlery, Styrofoam, and DVD cases, among other things, said Saido, who presented the findings at a meeting of the American Chemical Society in Washington, D.C., today.
Plastic, he said, should be considered a new source of chemical pollution in the ocean.

Cooking Up Plastic Soup in the Seas

The toxic compounds the team found don't occur naturally in the ocean, and the researchers thought plastic was the culprit.

The scientists later simulated the decomposition of polystyrene in the sea and found that it degraded at temperatures of 86 degrees Fahrenheit (30 degrees Celsius).

Left behind in the water were the same compounds detected in the ocean samples, such as styrene trimer, a polystyrene by-product, and bisphenol A, a chemical used in hard plastics such as reusable water bottles and the linings of aluminum cans.

Bisphenol A (BPA) has been shown to interfere with the reproductive systems of animals, while styrene monomer is a suspected carcinogen.

The pollutants are likely to be more concentrated in areas heavily littered with plastic debris, such as ocean vortices, which occur where currents meet.

(Related: "Giant Ocean-Trash Vortex Attracts Explorers.")

Plastic Breaks Down Fast

About 44 percent of all seabirds eat plastic, apparently by mistake, sometimes with fatal effects. And 267 marine species are affected by plastic garbage—animals are known to swallow plastic bags, which resemble jellyfish in mid-ocean, for example—according to a 2008 study in the journal Environmental Research by oceanographer and chemist Charles Moore, of the Algalita Marine Research Foundation.

Now, it seems, they also face the invisible threat of toxic, plastic-derived chemicals.

Once Styrofoam, for example, breaks down, the tiny polystyrene components start to sink, because they're heavier than water, Moore said. "So it's likely that this styrene pollutant is prevalent throughout the water column and not just at the surface."

Along with Moore, David Barnes, a marine ecologist from the British Antarctic Survey, doesn't think the Japanese team's lab results can be applied uniformly across the ocean, however. Water temperatures are typically much cooler than the 86 degrees Fahrenheit in the study, he said.

"We're talking about, effectively, what happens in [zones] of tropical and some subtropical coasts. And there, [the] study may be very important," Barnes said.

Ocean as "Plastic Soup"

Plastic hits marine creatures with a double whammy, Moore said. Along with the toxic chemicals released from the breakdown of plastic, animals also take in other chemicals that the plastic has accumulated from outside sources in the water.

"We knew ten years ago that plastic could be a million times more toxic than the seawater itself," because plastic items tend to accumulate a surface layer of chemicals from seawater, Moore said. "They're sponges."

Moore worries about the plastic-derived chemicals' potential damage to wildlife. The chemicals can potentially cause cancer in humans, he said, and simpler life-forms "may be more susceptible then we are."

Pollutants also become more concentrated as animals eat other contaminated animals—which could be bad news for us, the animals at the top of the food chain. (Read National Geographic magazine's "The Pollution Within.")

Moore estimates plastic debris—most of it smaller than a fifth of an inch (five millimeters)—is "dispersed over millions of square miles of ocean and miles' deep in the water column.

"The plastic soup we've made of the ocean is pretty universal—it's just a matter of degree," he said. "All these effects we're worried about are happening throughout the ocean as a unity."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...reaks-down-in-ocean-after-all-and-fast/#close

Plastic is not a soup, and the neither is the ocean. Plastic does not break down into toxic materials that stay in the ocean. Chlorine vents off. Salts aren't toxic. This assumption that plastic contains breaks down into 'toxic materials' is bogus.
 
No, they are not. Lots of products do not have to use plastics. that is a fact. Show someone whining about that. Damn rightys make shit up and lie.

The computer you are using right now could not exist without plastics. Neither could radio or radar systems, nor the aircraft that use them. Learn what a 'fact' is. A 'fact' is not a Universal Truth or a proof. Bigotry fallacy.
 
If we wanted to replace plastic in a 5 year span, we could.

It's the same with oil. We're the same species that sent men to the moon. We can do anything we want to, but lobbyists get in the way.

We couldn't get to the Moon without plastics. NASA currently can't even get a manned rocket off the ground, much less to the Moon or anything. The Shuttle is retired, and it couldn't leave Earth orbit. (Oh...it required plastics to function as well).
 
If only Repugniklan filth treated with alarm the global ecological collapse and climate change like they do the corona virus.
Where money is concerned, they always assume the ostrich position.

What global ecological collapse? Define 'climate change'. The alarm about coronavirus is fake news, perpetuated by Democrats. There is no 'pandemic'. There isn't even a 'situation'. 0.000135% of the world population infected is nothing to be concerned about. It's the flu season. Deal with it.
Even in China, more people die at the hands of their own government than by coronavirus.
 
there is nothing like plastics for multiple uses from basically a similar mfg process.
It has EVERY POSSIBLE ADVANTAGE AS A MATERIAL you can concoct

But you can't dispose of it easily.

Yes, you can dispose of it easily. It goes into landfills, just like the rest of our garbage. It also burns. It's also food for bacteria. Don't chuck your garbage into the sea and you won't have to worry about seeing so much garbage at sea.
 
When we talk about plastic, we generally mean "plastics": if you're a diligent recycler, you'll know there are many types of plastic, all of which are different, both chemically (in their molecular makeup) and physically (in the way they behave toward heat, light, and so on).
It's hardly surprising that 3D printers use thermoplastics (plastics that melt when you heat them and turn solid when you cool them back down), and typically one called ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene).

Perhaps most familiar as the material from which LEGO® bricks are made, ABS is also widely used in car interiors (sometimes in outside parts such as hubcaps too), for making the insides of refrigerators,
and in plastic computer parts (it's quite likely the mouse and keyboard you're using right now are made from ABS plastic).

So why is this material used for 3D printing? It's really a composite of a hard, tough plastic (acrylonitrile) with a synthetic rubber (butadiene styrene).
It's perfect for 3D printing because it's a solid at room temperatures and melts at a little over 100°C (220°F), which is cool enough to melt inside the printer without too much heat and hot enough that models printed from it won't melt if they're left in the Sun.
Once set, it can be sanded smooth or painted; another useful property of ABS is that it's a whiteish-yellow color in its raw form, but pigments (the color chemicals in paint) can be added to make it virtually any color at all. According to the type of printer you're using, you feed it the plastic either in the form of small pellets or filaments (like plastic strings).

3D-platform.jpg


The future of 3D printing

Many people believe 3D printing will herald not merely a tidal wave of brash, plastic gimmicks but a revolution in manufacturing industry and the world economy that it drives. Although 3D printing will certainly make it possible for us to make our own things, there's a limit to what you can achieve by yourself with a cheap printer and a tube of plastic.
The real economic benefits are likely to arrive when 3D printing is universally adopted by big companies as a central pillar of manufacturing industry.
First, that will enable manufacturers to offer much more customization of existing products, so the affordability of off-the-shelf mass-production will be combined with the attractiveness of one-off, bespoke artisan craft.
Second, 3D printing is essentially a robotic technology, so it will lower the cost of manufacturing to the point where it will, once again, be cost-effective to manufacture items in North America and Europe that are currently being cheaply assembled (by poorly paid humans) in such places as China and India.
Finally, 3D printing will increase productivity (since fewer people will be needed to make the same things), lowering production costs overall, which should lead to lower prices and greater demand—and that's always a good thing, for consumers, for manufacturers, and the economy.
https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-3d-printers-work.html

3D printing typically uses PVA, a food grade plastic that easily decomposes in hot water or by exposure to UV. ABS is a tougher plastic (also used for sewer pipes) because of it's longer polymer. Left exposed, it will break down just like any plastic, though it takes a lot longer than plastics used for packaging, where the problem with garbage in the ocean lies.

Dispose of your plastics in the trash. It's perfectly safe landfill material.
 
Plastic is not a soup, and the neither is the ocean. Plastic does not break down into toxic materials that stay in the ocean. Chlorine vents off. Salts aren't toxic. This assumption that plastic contains breaks down into 'toxic materials' is bogus.
this isn't chlorine and salts.
isphenol A (BPA) has been shown to interfere with the reproductive systems of animals, while styrene monomer is a suspected carcinogen.

The pollutants are likely to be more concentrated in areas heavily littered with plastic debris, such as ocean vortices, which occur where currents meet.
the small particles are the soup.
 
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