I guess conservatives are on the "pro plastic" side of things.
Probably the wrong side of history. But who knows.
Wrong; they are on the REALITY side of the argument. Leftists, not so much.
I guess conservatives are on the "pro plastic" side of things.
Probably the wrong side of history. But who knows.
If we wanted to replace plastic in a 5 year span, we could.
It's the same with oil. We're the same species that sent men to the moon. We can do anything we want to, but lobbyists get in the way.
there is nothing like plastics for multiple uses from basically a similar mfg process.If we wanted to replace plastic in a 5 year span, we could.
It's the same with oil. We're the same species that sent men to the moon. We can do anything we want to, but lobbyists get in the way.
I take him at his word, I do not believe he would lie or exaggerate. Thanks for the head's up on not being on anyone's side, I'll remember that.
Interesting. Sounds like it needs more study tho.
"The bacteria, found in a region of the North Atlantic Ocean called the Sargasso Sea, is clearly breaking down the plastic, but scientists don’t know if the byproduct is environment-friendly waste or a toxin. If a toxin is produced, the effects could be detrimental to aquatic life.
The finding suggests that the vast ‘garbage patches’ that have been found in the world’s oceans may be full of living communities.
The plastic particles can be seen as a type of artificial reef that certain types of microbes can colonize. Since plastic has a much longer residence time in the water column than any natural particle, this could be making a significant impact.
The part of the Sargasso Sea that scientists studied is depleted of phosphorous and other nutrients, in other words, the question is: are the plastic colonizers stealing away phosphorous from other organisms?"
http://sustainablefootprint.org/plastic-eating-bacteria-in-the-oceans/
Hemp is a fibrous plant, useful for making paper and rope (and smoking it if you get the more potent varieties).lots of stampings and products could be made with hemp.
Nope. Hemp does not make plastic.Even auto parts.
Hemp is not illegal.That is why it was made illegal.
Hemp never went anywhere. It is still raised as a crop for paper and rope products.The same reasons, petroleum products, should have brought hemp back years ago.
you have me mixed up with someone else- i support energy independence and even fraking
but draggin whales into this is useless
Your dam socialist hero, FDR, had to go and make MJ illegal.![]()
all comments are welcome here.
but if you are going to challenge conventional wisdom you should at lest cite ( back up)your claim.
I did the research for you and found this
Plastic Breaks Down in Ocean, After All—And Fast August 20, 2009
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...reaks-down-in-ocean-after-all-and-fast/#close
but it's far from a benign situation -same source I 'll post it entirity as I had to sign up for Email to see it (next post)
Though ocean-borne plastic trash has a reputation as an indestructible, immortal environmental villain, scientists announced yesterday that some plastics actually decompose rapidly in the ocean. And, the researchers say, that's not a good thing.
The team's new study is the first to show that degrading plastics are leaching potentially toxic chemicals such as bisphenol A into the seas, possibly threatening ocean animals, and us.
Scientists had previously thought plastics broke down only at very high temperatures and over hundreds of years.
The researchers behind a new study, however, found that plastic breaks down at cooler temperatures than expected, and within a year of the trash hitting the water.
The Japan-based team collected samples in waters from the U.S., Europe, India, Japan, and elsewhere, lead researcher Katsuhiko Saido, a chemist with the College of Pharmacy at Nihon University in Japan, said via email.
All the water samples were found to contain derivatives of polystyrene, a common plastic used in disposable cutlery, Styrofoam, and DVD cases, among other things, said Saido, who presented the findings at a meeting of the American Chemical Society in Washington, D.C., today.
Plastic, he said, should be considered a new source of chemical pollution in the ocean.
Cooking Up Plastic Soup in the Seas
The toxic compounds the team found don't occur naturally in the ocean, and the researchers thought plastic was the culprit.
The scientists later simulated the decomposition of polystyrene in the sea and found that it degraded at temperatures of 86 degrees Fahrenheit (30 degrees Celsius).
Left behind in the water were the same compounds detected in the ocean samples, such as styrene trimer, a polystyrene by-product, and bisphenol A, a chemical used in hard plastics such as reusable water bottles and the linings of aluminum cans.
Bisphenol A (BPA) has been shown to interfere with the reproductive systems of animals, while styrene monomer is a suspected carcinogen.
The pollutants are likely to be more concentrated in areas heavily littered with plastic debris, such as ocean vortices, which occur where currents meet.
(Related: "Giant Ocean-Trash Vortex Attracts Explorers.")
Plastic Breaks Down Fast
About 44 percent of all seabirds eat plastic, apparently by mistake, sometimes with fatal effects. And 267 marine species are affected by plastic garbage—animals are known to swallow plastic bags, which resemble jellyfish in mid-ocean, for example—according to a 2008 study in the journal Environmental Research by oceanographer and chemist Charles Moore, of the Algalita Marine Research Foundation.
Now, it seems, they also face the invisible threat of toxic, plastic-derived chemicals.
Once Styrofoam, for example, breaks down, the tiny polystyrene components start to sink, because they're heavier than water, Moore said. "So it's likely that this styrene pollutant is prevalent throughout the water column and not just at the surface."
Along with Moore, David Barnes, a marine ecologist from the British Antarctic Survey, doesn't think the Japanese team's lab results can be applied uniformly across the ocean, however. Water temperatures are typically much cooler than the 86 degrees Fahrenheit in the study, he said.
"We're talking about, effectively, what happens in [zones] of tropical and some subtropical coasts. And there, [the] study may be very important," Barnes said.
Ocean as "Plastic Soup"
Plastic hits marine creatures with a double whammy, Moore said. Along with the toxic chemicals released from the breakdown of plastic, animals also take in other chemicals that the plastic has accumulated from outside sources in the water.
"We knew ten years ago that plastic could be a million times more toxic than the seawater itself," because plastic items tend to accumulate a surface layer of chemicals from seawater, Moore said. "They're sponges."
Moore worries about the plastic-derived chemicals' potential damage to wildlife. The chemicals can potentially cause cancer in humans, he said, and simpler life-forms "may be more susceptible then we are."
Pollutants also become more concentrated as animals eat other contaminated animals—which could be bad news for us, the animals at the top of the food chain. (Read National Geographic magazine's "The Pollution Within.")
Moore estimates plastic debris—most of it smaller than a fifth of an inch (five millimeters)—is "dispersed over millions of square miles of ocean and miles' deep in the water column.
"The plastic soup we've made of the ocean is pretty universal—it's just a matter of degree," he said. "All these effects we're worried about are happening throughout the ocean as a unity."
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...reaks-down-in-ocean-after-all-and-fast/#close
I guess conservatives are on the "pro plastic" side of things.
Probably the wrong side of history. But who knows.
No, they are not. Lots of products do not have to use plastics. that is a fact. Show someone whining about that. Damn rightys make shit up and lie.
If we wanted to replace plastic in a 5 year span, we could.
It's the same with oil. We're the same species that sent men to the moon. We can do anything we want to, but lobbyists get in the way.
If only Repugniklan filth treated with alarm the global ecological collapse and climate change like they do the corona virus.
Where money is concerned, they always assume the ostrich position.
Hemp is not illegal. It is still a crop raised today for rope and paper products.
there is nothing like plastics for multiple uses from basically a similar mfg process.
It has EVERY POSSIBLE ADVANTAGE AS A MATERIAL you can concoct
But you can't dispose of it easily.
When we talk about plastic, we generally mean "plastics": if you're a diligent recycler, you'll know there are many types of plastic, all of which are different, both chemically (in their molecular makeup) and physically (in the way they behave toward heat, light, and so on).
It's hardly surprising that 3D printers use thermoplastics (plastics that melt when you heat them and turn solid when you cool them back down), and typically one called ABS (acrylonitrile butadiene styrene).
Perhaps most familiar as the material from which LEGO® bricks are made, ABS is also widely used in car interiors (sometimes in outside parts such as hubcaps too), for making the insides of refrigerators,
and in plastic computer parts (it's quite likely the mouse and keyboard you're using right now are made from ABS plastic).
So why is this material used for 3D printing? It's really a composite of a hard, tough plastic (acrylonitrile) with a synthetic rubber (butadiene styrene).
It's perfect for 3D printing because it's a solid at room temperatures and melts at a little over 100°C (220°F), which is cool enough to melt inside the printer without too much heat and hot enough that models printed from it won't melt if they're left in the Sun.
Once set, it can be sanded smooth or painted; another useful property of ABS is that it's a whiteish-yellow color in its raw form, but pigments (the color chemicals in paint) can be added to make it virtually any color at all. According to the type of printer you're using, you feed it the plastic either in the form of small pellets or filaments (like plastic strings).
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The future of 3D printing
Many people believe 3D printing will herald not merely a tidal wave of brash, plastic gimmicks but a revolution in manufacturing industry and the world economy that it drives. Although 3D printing will certainly make it possible for us to make our own things, there's a limit to what you can achieve by yourself with a cheap printer and a tube of plastic.
The real economic benefits are likely to arrive when 3D printing is universally adopted by big companies as a central pillar of manufacturing industry.
First, that will enable manufacturers to offer much more customization of existing products, so the affordability of off-the-shelf mass-production will be combined with the attractiveness of one-off, bespoke artisan craft.
Second, 3D printing is essentially a robotic technology, so it will lower the cost of manufacturing to the point where it will, once again, be cost-effective to manufacture items in North America and Europe that are currently being cheaply assembled (by poorly paid humans) in such places as China and India.
Finally, 3D printing will increase productivity (since fewer people will be needed to make the same things), lowering production costs overall, which should lead to lower prices and greater demand—and that's always a good thing, for consumers, for manufacturers, and the economy.
https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-3d-printers-work.html
this isn't chlorine and salts.Plastic is not a soup, and the neither is the ocean. Plastic does not break down into toxic materials that stay in the ocean. Chlorine vents off. Salts aren't toxic. This assumption that plastic contains breaks down into 'toxic materials' is bogus.
the small particles are the soup.isphenol A (BPA) has been shown to interfere with the reproductive systems of animals, while styrene monomer is a suspected carcinogen.
The pollutants are likely to be more concentrated in areas heavily littered with plastic debris, such as ocean vortices, which occur where currents meet.