Proposed Debate Question

PoliTalker said:
Wrong. You can say they are the majority but that doesn't make it true. You can believe it. But there is no basis for said belief. It is without merit. There are no numbers to support such a wild idea, no supporting data.
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Consider the following facts. Outside of the Western world, nearly every country is an ethnostate. In order to have racial integration within Western countries, the government must force integration with affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws. Despite being mentally challenge, Trump gained massive support when he promised to build a wall to keep out Mexicans and enact a ban on Muslim immigration.
With all that taken into consideration, doesn't it seem like it's at least more than likely that most people are Ethnic Nationalist, even if they don't actually think of themselves as so?

Also incorrect is the belief that views don't change. America was far more racist in the 50's than it is today. America has changed. Views have changed. The commonplace racism of the 50's did NOT turn out to 'always be around.' Few people in the 50's would have believed a black man would ever be elected President. The main reason we are experiencing a highly overstated resurgence in racism now is besides the fact that the internet has connected and emboldened them is because a black man WAS elected President.
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Racism during the fifties is heavily exaggerated in today's media. Back then, the average person didn't hate people of different races, they just didn't want to share a neighborhood with them. And that's how it still is. The reason we're seeing a resurgence in, what you'd call, racism today is because we've let in too many non-white immigrants. White people living in white neighborhoods who voted for Obama are now seeing that their neighborhoods are being polluted with multiracialism. The states that went to Obama last time, but this time went to Trump, didn't suddenly become racist. They were always full of Nationalists who didn't hate Blacks, but wanted a president who was going to restrict non-white immigration.
And this isn't just in America. Look at the current rise of Nationalism in Europe. They made the mistake of letting in too many brown people, so now the Europeans are electing Nationalist parties.
 
StoneByStone said:
Consider the following facts. Outside of the Western world, nearly every country is an ethnostate. In order to have racial integration within Western countries, the government must force integration with affirmative action and anti-discrimination laws. Despite being mentally challenge, Trump gained massive support when he promised to build a wall to keep out Mexicans and enact a ban on Muslim immigration.
With all that taken into consideration, doesn't it seem like it's at least more than likely that most people are Ethnic Nationalist, even if they don't actually think of themselves as so?
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No. Trump never had a majority. And of the ones who do support him not even all his supporters do so because of his racism. Some are just really rich and want to get richer, and evangelists only support him because he is anti-abortion. Take away either of those two groups and Trump would have lost the election on the basis of hatred and racism alone.

StoneByStone said:
Racism during the fifties is heavily exaggerated in today's media. Back then, the average person didn't hate people of different races, they just didn't want to share a neighborhood with them. And that's how it still is. The reason we're seeing a resurgence in, what you'd call, racism today is because we've let in too many non-white immigrants. White people living in white neighborhoods who voted for Obama are now seeing that their neighborhoods are being polluted with multiracialism. The states that went to Obama last time, but this time went to Trump, didn't suddenly become racist. They were always full of Nationalists who didn't hate Blacks, but wanted a president who was going to restrict non-white immigration.
And this isn't just in America. Look at the current rise of Nationalism in Europe. They made the mistake of letting in too many brown people, so now the Europeans are electing Nationalist parties.
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Just because there is fear and misunderstanding of multiculturalism doesn't mean that is the majority. If that were the majority Obama would never have been elected.
 
PoliTalker said:
No. Trump never had a majority. And of the ones who do support him not even all his supporters do so because of his racism. Some are just really rich and want to get richer, and evangelists only support him because he is anti-abortion. Take away either of those two groups and Trump would have lost the election on the basis of hatred and racism alone.
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And yet John McCain and Mitt Romney lost. Along with Trump, all three ran on helping the rich get richer and preventing abortion rights. The reason Trump won despite being literally retarded, and McCain and Romney lost, is because Trump also offered Nationalism. Yes, Trump never had a majority, which is understandable considering how stupid and corrupt he is. But even with that baggage, he still had enough support to win.


Just because there is fear and misunderstanding of multiculturalism doesn't mean that is the majority. If that were the majority Obama would never have been elected.
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Like I said, Obama got votes from people who, a few years later, voted for a wall to keep out Mexicans and a ban to keep out Muslims. Yes, most white Americans aren't racist, but when their own neighborhoods start becoming racially mixed, they will vote for Nationalism.
 
Hello StoneByStone,

StoneByStone said:
And yet John McCain and Mitt Romney lost. Along with Trump, all three ran on helping the rich get richer and preventing abortion rights. The reason Trump won despite being literally retarded, and McCain and Romney lost, is because Trump also offered Nationalism. Yes, Trump never had a majority, which is understandable considering how stupid and corrupt he is. But even with that baggage, he still had enough support to win.
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OK, then we are in agreement. Support for Trump is in the minority, and the racist part of that minority support is even fewer individuals. It's not the majority.

StoneByStone said:
Like I said, Obama got votes from people who, a few years later, voted for a wall to keep out Mexicans and a ban to keep out Muslims. Yes, most white Americans aren't racist, but when their own neighborhoods start becoming racially mixed, they will vote for Nationalism.
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I doubt that represents very many people.
 
PoliTalker said:
OK, then we are in agreement. Support for Trump is in the minority, and the racist part of that minority support is even fewer individuals. It's not the majority.
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Virtually any support for Trump is for racial reasons and despite all of Trump's baggage, that was still enough for him to win. When you combine that with the fact that integration is forced and countries outside the West are all ethnostates, it seems like a pretty strong case that the average person is an Ethnic Nationalist.
 
Into the Night said:
Lie. They always add to the debt, just as the republicans do. They just add more to it than the republicans do.

The Republicans have not stopped or reduced any social security, medicaid, or medicare program.

Just as the Democrats do. They just don't crank it up as much.

The President doesn't have anything to do with the debt. Congress, and only Congress does.
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Can you understand the difference between having a plan and then pulling the trigger? I understand you do not follow politics, but anyone who does is aware that the Reds plan on slashing help programs. They say it openly. https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresa...ocial-security-starve-the-beast/#43b93c063794 I don't know why I bother with you.
 
StoneByStone said:
Virtually any support for Trump is for racial reasons and despite all of Trump's baggage, that was still enough for him to win. When you combine that with the fact that integration is forced and countries outside the West are all ethnostates, it seems like a pretty strong case that the average person is an Ethnic Nationalist.
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It must suck to live in your world
 
Hello StoneByStone,

StoneByStone said:
Virtually any support for Trump is for racial reasons and despite all of Trump's baggage, that was still enough for him to win. When you combine that with the fact that integration is forced and countries outside the West are all ethnostates, it seems like a pretty strong case that the average person is an Ethnic Nationalist.
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Thanks for sharing your motivation behind such a view.
 
Trump not only reneged on his falsehood that he had a plan to pay off the entire federal debt. He's sorry. He meant to say it was not so much of a plan but really a pipedream he would never mention again or even try to carry out.

Not only has Trump NOT paid down the federal debt IN ANY AMOUNT, he has raised it by trillions. Now that the deficit is up to a trillion that means another trillion gets tacked onto the debt every year he's in office.

When you ask yourself if you want 4 more years of Trump, you are really asking yourself if you want 4 trillion more added to the federal debt.

(Because billionaires are not being taxed enough...)
 
PoliTalker said:
Trump not only reneged on his falsehood that he had a plan to pay off the entire federal debt.
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He never made any such claim. Lie.
PoliTalker said:
He's sorry.
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About what?
PoliTalker said:
He meant to say it was not so much of a plan but really a pipedream he would never mention again or even try to carry out.
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Same lie.
PoliTalker said:
Not only has Trump NOT paid down the federal debt IN ANY AMOUNT, he has raised it by trillions.
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Trump can neither pay down the debt not increase it. The President doesn't have that power. Only Congress has that power.
PoliTalker said:
Now that the deficit is up to a trillion that means another trillion gets tacked onto the debt every year he's in office.
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No, that would be Congress. They are the only ones that can increase or decrease the debt or cause deficits.

See Article I of the Constitution of the United States.
 
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