Question for JPP Climate Enthusiasts

[Bigdog]

This is all about the Leftist's hatred of anyone but their own elite.

When they have State dinners with their friends, do you think they are going to eat beans and tofu? Nah. They'll have steak. The rest of the schmucks in the world can eat beans and tofu.

I agree.

But the white liberal elite won't touch the Asians, Blacks are silent on the sidelines, ... and the white aristocracy are ginning up hatred for the White race as their religion's devils.

 

[Darth Omar]

Let it out and open the window!

I was starting to wonder if anyone caught that lol.

 

[Into the Night]

I agree.

But the white liberal elite won't touch the Asians, Blacks are silent on the sidelines, ... and the white aristocracy are ginning up hatred for the White race as their religion's devils.

I disagree.

Blacks are shunted to the inner cities where things like Planned Parenthood offices are installed for the purposes of eradicating them. The inner city has become the modern plantation for them. They are quashed and kept 'in their place' through 'welfare programs' and a promise to 'take care of them', just as it was on the plantations.

Asians, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and any other 'swarthy' race are shunted into the inner cities the same way, using their limited grasp of English against them. Mexicans are also shunted into agriculture, living in their own 'slave' housing and communities, to work the fields.

The liberals are still quite racist. Nothing has changed about them one bit. If they could get away with outright slavery, they would.

If you read the Communist Manifesto (you can see a copy here) you will find the reason for attacking white men. They are attacking the owners of industry and of companies, in order to justify taking them. They are attacking gun owners because they pose a threat to their plan.

Marxism is alive and well (unfortunately). They wish nothing less than to put EVERYONE (except themselves of course), into slavery, leaving them the ultimate Masters of the World.

 

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I disagree.

Blacks are shunted to the inner cities where things like Planned Parenthood offices are installed for the purposes of eradicating them. The inner city has become the modern plantation for them. They are quashed and kept 'in their place' through 'welfare programs' and a promise to 'take care of them', just as it was on the plantations.

Asians, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and any other 'swarthy' race are shunted into the inner cities the same way, using their limited grasp of English against them. Mexicans are also shunted into agriculture, living in their own 'slave' housing and communities, to work the fields.

The liberals are still quite racist. Nothing has changed about them one bit. If they could get away with outright slavery, they would.

If you read the Communist Manifesto (you can see a copy here) you will find the reason for attacking white men. They are attacking the owners of industry and of companies, in order to justify taking them. They are attacking gun owners because they pose a threat to their plan.

Marxism is alive and well (unfortunately). They wish nothing less than to put EVERYONE (except themselves of course), into slavery, leaving them the ultimate Masters of the World.

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[cancel2 2022]

I don't believe you. You are denying the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.

* You can't create energy out of nothing. (1st law of thermodynamics)
* You can't make heat flow from cold to hot. (2nd law of thermodynamics)
* You can't trap heat. (1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics)
* You can't trap thermal energy. There is always heat. (2nd law of thermodynamics)
* You can't trap light. (Planck's law)
* You can't reduce the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time. (Stefan-Boltzmann law)

If you think you can, explain how 'greenhouse effect' works without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

For reference:
1st law: energy(t+1) = energy(t) (in other words, energy can neither be created nor destroyed)
2nd law: entropy(t+1) >= entropy(t) (in other words, entropy must always increase or stay the same in any system. It can never decrease. This also means heat always flows from hot to cold, never the reverse.)
Stefan-Boltzmann law: radiance (in watts/sq meter) = 5.670367×10−8 * emissivity * temperature (in Kelvins) ^ 4

Go ahead.

Sorry it's not my fault that you're incapable of understanding basic thermodynamics or indeed infra-red absorption. Maybe this video might help you?

https://www.khanacademy.org/science...heory/v/introduction-to-infrared-spectroscopy

 

[Into the Night]

If you think you can, explain how 'greenhouse effect' works without violating the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics or the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

For reference:
1st law: energy(t+1) = energy(t) (in other words, energy can neither be created nor destroyed)
2nd law: entropy(t+1) >= entropy(t) (in other words, entropy must always increase or stay the same in any system. It can never decrease. This also means heat always flows from hot to cold, never the reverse.)
Stefan-Boltzmann law: radiance (in watts/sq meter) = 5.670367×10−8 * emissivity * temperature (in Kelvins) ^ 4

Go ahead.

Sorry it's not my fault that you're incapable of understanding basic thermodynamics or indeed infra-red absorption. Maybe this video might help you?

...deleted irrelevant Holy Link...

Can't do it, eh?

 

[Bigdog]

I disagree.

Blacks are shunted to the inner cities where things like Planned Parenthood offices are installed for the purposes of eradicating them. The inner city has become the modern plantation for them. They are quashed and kept 'in their place' through 'welfare programs' and a promise to 'take care of them', just as it was on the plantations.

Asians, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and any other 'swarthy' race are shunted into the inner cities the same way, using their limited grasp of English against them. Mexicans are also shunted into agriculture, living in their own 'slave' housing and communities, to work the fields.

The liberals are still quite racist. Nothing has changed about them one bit. If they could get away with outright slavery, they would.

If you read the Communist Manifesto (you can see a copy here) you will find the reason for attacking white men. They are attacking the owners of industry and of companies, in order to justify taking them. They are attacking gun owners because they pose a threat to their plan.

Marxism is alive and well (unfortunately). They wish nothing less than to put EVERYONE (except themselves of course), into slavery, leaving them the ultimate Masters of the World.

Asians are the most prosperous race in America. But like their brother Native Americans, their numbers ate too small to matter to the DNC. In terms of Political Correctness, they are viewed as white, and even denied university admission.

I disagree with you on Tan or swarthy peoples. 'The Hispanics and Italians are everywhere and in every business. I'd have to see the stats where Jewish poverty ranks. Mexican citizens in America? I doubt any stats are reliable.

In terms of Political Correctness, the liberals are advocating racist class warfare against Poor Whites. Poor Whites are their target. They repeat that to us, over and over again.

 

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Can't do it, eh?

Can't be bothered, you're totally impervious to reason so what's the point?

 

[Bigdog]

Can't do it, eh?

How is this flawed? ...

"Earth ’s radiation budget
and the Greenhouse Effect

The Earth is bathed in radiation from the
Sun, which warms the planet and provides
all the energy driving the climate system.
Some of the solar (shortwave) radiation is
reflected back to space by clouds and bright
surfaces but much reaches the ground,
which warms and emits heat radiation. This
infrared (longwave) radiation, however,
does not directly escape to space but is
largely absorbed by gases and clouds in the
atmosphere, which itself warms and emits
heat radiation, both out to space and back
to the surface. This enhances the solar
warming of the Earth producing what has
become known as the ‘greenhouse effect’. "

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.2072

 

[cancel2 2022]

How is this flawed? ...

"Earth ’s radiation budget
and the Greenhouse Effect

The Earth is bathed in radiation from the
Sun, which warms the planet and provides
all the energy driving the climate system.
Some of the solar (shortwave) radiation is
reflected back to space by clouds and bright
surfaces but much reaches the ground,
which warms and emits heat radiation. This
infrared (longwave) radiation, however,
does not directly escape to space but is
largely absorbed by gases and clouds in the
atmosphere, which itself warms and emits
heat radiation, both out to space and back
to the surface. This enhances the solar
warming of the Earth producing what has
become known as the ‘greenhouse effect’. "

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/wea.2072

It isn't!!

 

[reagansghost]

It isn't!!

it ain't gonna get warmer where you live wanker...…….you're gonna freeze your haggis stuffed face off lol

IT HELPS to keep Britain from freezing over in winter, but the Gulf Stream is now slowing down faster than it ever has in the past 1000 years.

~ And experts are now warning climate change could cause an Ice Age in Europe if the Gulf Stream malfunctions.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25696...-uk-weather-and-why-does-it-cause-heavy-snow/


and I know moron, fake news!

 

[Into the Night]

Asians are the most prosperous race in America.

Many of them DO work very hard, and are prosperous as a result. This is despite how the DNC treats them.

But like their brother Native Americans, their numbers ate too small to matter to the DNC.

No, the DNC hates them just as much as they hate the indians. They always have.

In terms of Political Correctness, they are viewed as white, and even denied university admission.

Not because they are white, but because they are Asian.

I disagree with you on Tan or swarthy peoples. 'The Hispanics and Italians are everywhere and in every business. I'd have to see the stats where Jewish poverty ranks. Mexican citizens in America? I doubt any stats are reliable.

Probably right!

In terms of Political Correctness, the liberals are advocating racist class warfare against Poor Whites. Poor Whites are their target. They repeat that to us, over and over again.

They include 'poor whites' that are not going along with their racism and fascist goals. Typically that includes many conservatives, especially those living in midwestern States. They consider such people 'backwards' and 'uneducated'. This is what you see when they attack white people. They are being attacked not because they are white, but because they are conservative.

 

[Into the Night]

Can't be bothered, you're totally impervious to reason so what's the point?

The point is you can't do it.

 

[cancel2 2022]

it ain't gonna get warmer where you live wanker...…….you're gonna freeze your haggis stuffed face off lol

IT HELPS to keep Britain from freezing over in winter, but the Gulf Stream is now slowing down faster than it ever has in the past 1000 years.

~ And experts are now warning climate change could cause an Ice Age in Europe if the Gulf Stream malfunctions.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25696...-uk-weather-and-why-does-it-cause-heavy-snow/


and I know moron, fake news!

I just loved the irony of a loony lefty like you using a right wing UK tabloid as evidence!! The bullshit surrounding the Atlantic Conveyor has been debunked.

 

[Into the Night]

How is this flawed? ...

Since the typical greenhouse argument is actually several arguments, I will answer them individually here.

"Earth ’s radiation budget
and the Greenhouse Effect

The Earth is bathed in radiation from the
Sun, which warms the planet and provides
all the energy

So far so good. The Sun heats the Earth by radiance. Infrared light from the Sun (the bulk of energy from the Sun, is what is absorbed and converted into thermal energy. Visible light does not convert to thermal energy when absorbed, but instead converts to chemical energy (such as photosynthesis, or the chemical reaction in your retinas).

driving the climate system.

First check. There is no such thing as a 'climate system'. Climate is a subjective word. There is desert climate, marine climate, tropical climate, arctic climate, etc. There is no global climate or any climate 'system'.

Some of the solar (shortwave) radiation is
reflected back to space by clouds and bright
surfaces but much reaches the ground,
which warms

2nd check. Shortwave radiation is emitted by the Sun, but clouds are transparent to it and ground is rather reflective of it. The ionosphere absorbs it quite well, converting it into thermal energy. This is a terminology problem, and I believe you mean visible light, which doesn't convert to thermal energy when absorbed. Shortwave radiation is too low in energy to be absorbed by the surface. What DOES warm the surface is infrared light, which converts to thermal energy when absorbed.

and emits heat radiation.

Anything above absolute zero emits light according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. As Earth temperatures vary over quite a range, the range of emitted light is quite wide, though it all falls in the infrared band.

This infrared (longwave) radiation, however,
does not directly escape to space but is
largely absorbed by gases and clouds in the
atmosphere,

3rd check. Clouds are completely transparent to longwave radiation. Infrared light is not longwave radiation. Infrared light is far higher in frequency. While certain frequencies of infrared light are absorbed by clouds, methane, CO2, and a few other gases, a very important point is left out here. It takes energy to emit that infrared light. The surface is cooled by the process. Just as with conductive heating of the atmosphere by a warmer surface, radiant heating of the atmosphere by the warmer surface is completely normal and just another way for the surface to be cooled.

which itself warms and emits
heat radiation,

4th check. They have ALWAYS been emitting radiance according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. Nothing about absorbing some energy from the surface changes that.

both out to space and back
to the surface.

5th check, and the major one. Here is it assumed that the surface is absorbing infrared light emitted by CO2, clouds, and other gases. It can't. It is not possible for a colder object to warm a warmer object. The 2nd law of thermodynamics clearly states that entropy can never decrease in any system, and that heat always flows from hot to cold. NEVER the reverse.

No molecule is capable of absorbing a photon of less energy than the molecule already contains. The photon is reflected away again, or the molecule is simply transparent to the thing.

* You cannot heat a warmer body with a colder one.

This enhances the solar
warming of the Earth producing what has
become known as the ‘greenhouse effect’. "

Not possible. This is attempting to:

1) trap light, in violation of Planck's law.
2) make heat flow from cold to hot, in violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
3) reduce the radiance of Earth (by trapping light) and increasing its temperature at the same time, in violation of the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

* You cannot make heat flow 'backwards' (from a colder gas to a warmer surface). (2nd law of thermodynamics)
* You cannot create energy out of nothing. No gas or vapor is a source of energy. (1st law of thermodynamics)
* You cannot trap heat or slow heat. Heat is the movement of thermal energy and only thermal energy. (2nd law of thermodyanamics)
* You cannot trap light. Absorption DESTROYS light. Emission CREATES light. Energy is not being gained or lost, it is simply being converted. (Planck's law)
* You cannot reduce the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time. (Stefan-Boltzmann law)

No, the Magick Bouncing Photon argument does not work.

 

[Into the Night]

It isn't!!

It is. Answered just above this post.

 

[Into the Night]

it ain't gonna get warmer where you live wanker...…….you're gonna freeze your haggis stuffed face off lol

Oooooh. THAT's not a pretty picture!

IT HELPS to keep Britain from freezing over in winter, but the Gulf Stream is now slowing down faster than it ever has in the past 1000 years.
~ And experts are now warning climate change could cause an Ice Age in Europe if the Gulf Stream malfunctions.

The Gulf Stream doesn't go anywhere near Europe. Why would it malfunction? Ocean currents are the result of differences of temperature caused by uneven heating of the Earth. Why would that change?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25696...-uk-weather-and-why-does-it-cause-heavy-snow/

The UK Sun? I don't consider them 'expert's of anything!

and I know moron, fake news!

Yup.

 

[Into the Night]

I just loved the irony of a loony lefty like you using a right wing UK tabloid as evidence!! The bullshit surrounding the Atlantic Conveyor has been debunked.

It's actually just a tabloid, and contains many liberal articles.

 

[Bigdog]

Since the typical greenhouse argument is actually several arguments, I will answer them individually here.

So far so good. The Sun heats the Earth by radiance. Infrared light from the Sun (the bulk of energy from the Sun, is what is absorbed and converted into thermal energy. Visible light does not convert to thermal energy when absorbed, but instead converts to chemical energy (such as photosynthesis, or the chemical reaction in your retinas).

First check. There is no such thing as a 'climate system'. Climate is a subjective word. There is desert climate, marine climate, tropical climate, arctic climate, etc. There is no global climate or any climate 'system'.

2nd check. Shortwave radiation is emitted by the Sun, but clouds are transparent to it and ground is rather reflective of it. The ionosphere absorbs it quite well, converting it into thermal energy. This is a terminology problem, and I believe you mean visible light, which doesn't convert to thermal energy when absorbed. Shortwave radiation is too low in energy to be absorbed by the surface. What DOES warm the surface is infrared light, which converts to thermal energy when absorbed.

Anything above absolute zero emits light according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. As Earth temperatures vary over quite a range, the range of emitted light is quite wide, though it all falls in the infrared band.

3rd check. Clouds are completely transparent to longwave radiation. Infrared light is not longwave radiation. Infrared light is far higher in frequency. While certain frequencies of infrared light are absorbed by clouds, methane, CO2, and a few other gases, a very important point is left out here. It takes energy to emit that infrared light. The surface is cooled by the process. Just as with conductive heating of the atmosphere by a warmer surface, radiant heating of the atmosphere by the warmer surface is completely normal and just another way for the surface to be cooled.

4th check. They have ALWAYS been emitting radiance according to the Stefan-Boltzmann law. Nothing about absorbing some energy from the surface changes that.

5th check, and the major one. Here is it assumed that the surface is absorbing infrared light emitted by CO2, clouds, and other gases. It can't. It is not possible for a colder object to warm a warmer object. The 2nd law of thermodynamics clearly states that entropy can never decrease in any system, and that heat always flows from hot to cold. NEVER the reverse.

No molecule is capable of absorbing a photon of less energy than the molecule already contains. The photon is reflected away again, or the molecule is simply transparent to the thing.

* You cannot heat a warmer body with a colder one.

1. What else would you call a system of climates? weather?
2. Terminology problem, not theoretical ... ok
3. If there are more "greenhouse" gases. Then YES, there is a change.
4. With an increase in "greenhouse" gases, it warms more.
5. I think you are conflating surface and atmosphere.

This is new to me ... "No molecule is capable of absorbing a photon of less energy than the molecule already contains."

 

[cancel2 2022]

1. What else would you call a system of climates? weather?
2. Terminology problem, not theoretical ... ok
3. If there are more "greenhouse" gases. Then YES, there is a change.
4. With an increase in "greenhouse" gases, it warms more.
5. I think you are conflating surface and atmosphere.

This is new to me ... "No molecule is capable of absorbing a photon of less energy than the molecule already contains."

Light from the Sun excites electrons in atoms. So how do photons get converted to heat? Atoms are constantly vibrating, some of them vibrate sufficiently that their vibrational energy is roughly equal to the photons absorbed from the Sun, such that they are in resonance with the solar energy. Those atoms then make a quantum transition from 'electronically excited' to 'vibrationally excited,' meaning that the energy causes the whole atom to move, in other words to heat up. The atoms which make the jump to vibrational excitation soon collide into neighbouring atoms, thus dissipating their vibrational energy causing them to heat up likewise.

Microwave ovens are tuned to the frequency that causes molecules of water to rotate, and the ensuing frictionb8 causes heating of water-containing substances. This is how microwave ovens cook food by heating water molecules and how greenhouse gases adsorb electromagnetic energy and convert it to heat energy.