Racial Integration

cawacko

cawacko

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In light of the Harris/Biden discussion on busing and integration at the first primary debate this Facebook post by my friend jumped out at me. This is a guy I've known since high school. His parents were members of the Black Panther Party in Oakland and he considers himself a more revolutionary thinker. He wrote this:


""We must start by admitting the civil rights movement and integration was a hustle! We were bamboozled as a people when we should of went out our way to build our own communities plus focus solely on our economic base. Our own country within a country. The man will never change and all we got is us! Until we realize that nothing will never change and we will be continued to be hustled and bamboozled!""


Now in a sense this is all academic because integration has occurred. (However many of our communities still are heavily racially divided.) Of course 50+ years ago America was largely white and black. Today Hispanics are the largest minority and there are large number of Asian and Indian immigrants coming as well. So I don't know how possible it is today to go back to the large black communities of the past when discrimination forced them to be that way.

People commenting on his post agreed and said they have been held back by integration. The black experience in America has been a unique one. I don't know that what he wants is possible or how it would play out. But being discussed in a Presidential debate it's clearly a topic on (some at least) people's minds.
 
cawacko said:
In light of the Harris/Biden discussion on busing and integration at the first primary debate this Facebook post by my friend jumped out at me. This is a guy I've known since high school. His parents were members of the Black Panther Party in Oakland and he considers himself a more revolutionary thinker. He wrote this:


""We must start by admitting the civil rights movement and integration was a hustle! We were bamboozled as a people when we should of went out our way to build our own communities plus focus solely on our economic base. Our own country within a country. The man will never change and all we got is us! Until we realize that nothing will never change and we will be continued to be hustled and bamboozled!""


Now in a sense this is all academic because integration has occurred. (However many of our communities still are heavily racially divided.) Of course 50+ years ago America was largely white and black. Today Hispanics are the largest minority and there are large number of Asian and Indian immigrants coming as well. So I don't know how possible it is today to go back to the large black communities of the past when discrimination forced them to be that way.

People commenting on his post agreed and said they have been held back by integration. The black experience in America has been a unique one. I don't know that what he wants is possible or how it would play out. But being discussed in a Presidential debate it's clearly a topic on (some at least) people's minds.
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"They" are not going anywhere and NEITHER are you (or we) so what do you suggest WE do?
 
Chinatown, Little Italy.... ethnic non diversity is nothing new and not a bad thing.
Culture will hold cultural grouos together.
All Dr King wanted was equality, not to become a hash.

Your friend was generally right.
 
Celticguy said:
Chinatown, Little Italy.... ethnic non diversity is nothing new and not a bad thing.
Culture will hold cultural grouos together.
All Dr King wanted was equality, not to become a hash.

Your friend was generally right.
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It’s interesting, my friend has spoken about the Chinese and Chinatown before. How they own their own businesses and spend their money within their community and police their own community.

To me, considering where we are today, it may sound good in theory but not sure it can be executed in reality
 
cawacko said:
It’s interesting, my friend has spoken about the Chinese and Chinatown before. How they own their own businesses and spend their money within their community and police their own community.

To me, considering where we are today, it may sound good in theory but not sure it can be executed in reality
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It’s good to have little enclaves of minorities here and there. Who doesn’t like to visit China Town for the cuisine and etc?

But on a large scale it would lead to tribalism and tribalism never ends well, ever.
 
Darth Omar said:
It’s good to have little enclaves of minorities here and there. Who doesn’t like to visit China Town for the cuisine and etc?

But on a large scale it would lead to tribalism and tribalism never ends well, ever.
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One of the arguments I hear is back in the days of discrimination black doctors, attorneys, businessmen etc. all lived in the same neighborhood as poorer people and were role models for black children in the community.

Once we changed housing laws many successful black folks moved to new neighborhoods.

My friend envisions going back to the that. He is a tech entrepreneur and is very involved in mentoring kids in oakland and although he can afford to move out of his neighborhood he hasn’t. His neighborhood was largely black and today it’s largely Hispanic and other immigrants. Very different.
 
cawacko said:
In light of the Harris/Biden discussion on busing and integration at the first primary debate this Facebook post by my friend jumped out at me. This is a guy I've known since high school. His parents were members of the Black Panther Party in Oakland and he considers himself a more revolutionary thinker. He wrote this:


""We must start by admitting the civil rights movement and integration was a hustle! We were bamboozled as a people when we should of went out our way to build our own communities plus focus solely on our economic base. Our own country within a country. The man will never change and all we got is us! Until we realize that nothing will never change and we will be continued to be hustled and bamboozled!""


Now in a sense this is all academic because integration has occurred. (However many of our communities still are heavily racially divided.) Of course 50+ years ago America was largely white and black. Today Hispanics are the largest minority and there are large number of Asian and Indian immigrants coming as well. So I don't know how possible it is today to go back to the large black communities of the past when discrimination forced them to be that way.

People commenting on his post agreed and said they have been held back by integration. The black experience in America has been a unique one. I don't know that what he wants is possible or how it would play out. But being discussed in a Presidential debate it's clearly a topic on (some at least) people's minds.
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As you know this idea isn't new or unique...

I recall many years ago on KQED there was a program Tony Brown's Journal & this issue came up often. He would tell them, go head, make your own city, town or even state, nothing is stopping you from doing what the Mormons did..

Move some place, become the majority & make laws etc to suit yourself w/in the Federal system.......

Today there is no way you are going to have an ethnic exclusive as ppl are integrated, spouses, kids etc

This is right up stonebystones alley here??
 
Bill said:
As you know this idea isn't new or unique...

I recall many years ago on KQED there was a program Tony Brown's Journal & this issue came up often. He would tell them, go head, make your own city, town or even state, nothing is stopping you from doing what the Mormons did..

Move some place, become the majority & make laws etc to suit yourself w/in the Federal system.......

Today there is no way you are going to have an ethnic exclusive as ppl are integrated, spouses, kids etc

This is right up stonebystones alley here??
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Have definitely heard the argument before as well. And on social media, and places like this board, we can post things that have little to no chance of occurring but represent a mindset (or desire).

It’s an interesting perspective (and maybe more personal to me because I’ve known the guy for so long and can hear him saying it).
 
Bottom line ... you're friend is doing a really good thing. So I can forgive him for his segregationist ethnic reasoning.
 
cawacko said:
Have definitely heard the argument before as well. And on social media, and places like this board, we can post things that have little to no chance of occurring but represent a mindset (or desire).

It’s an interesting perspective (and maybe more personal to me because I’ve known the guy for so long and can hear him saying it).
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What he wants is not far fetched, it could happen pretty easily, well w/ a lil money...
 
cawacko said:
It’s interesting, my friend has spoken about the Chinese and Chinatown before. How they own their own businesses and spend their money within their community and police their own community.

To me, considering where we are today, it may sound good in theory but not sure it can be executed in reality
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It happens organically if left alone
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cawacko said:
In light of the Harris/Biden discussion on busing and integration at the first primary debate this Facebook post by my friend jumped out at me. This is a guy I've known since high school. His parents were members of the Black Panther Party in Oakland and he considers himself a more revolutionary thinker. He wrote this:


""We must start by admitting the civil rights movement and integration was a hustle! We were bamboozled as a people when we should of went out our way to build our own communities plus focus solely on our economic base. Our own country within a country. The man will never change and all we got is us! Until we realize that nothing will never change and we will be continued to be hustled and bamboozled!""


Now in a sense this is all academic because integration has occurred. (However many of our communities still are heavily racially divided.) Of course 50+ years ago America was largely white and black. Today Hispanics are the largest minority and there are large number of Asian and Indian immigrants coming as well. So I don't know how possible it is today to go back to the large black communities of the past when discrimination forced them to be that way.

People commenting on his post agreed and said they have been held back by integration. The black experience in America has been a unique one. I don't know that what he wants is possible or how it would play out. But being discussed in a Presidential debate it's clearly a topic on (some at least) people's minds.
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Your friend's comments sounds like something TTQ would say and you wouldn't approve of.
 
cawacko said:
It’s interesting, my friend has spoken about the Chinese and Chinatown before. How they own their own businesses and spend their money within their community and police their own community.

To me, considering where we are today, it may sound good in theory but not sure it can be executed in reality
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What did he have to say about it, other than that??

You have totally different culture & experiences etc...
 
christiefan915 said:
Your friend's comments sounds like something TTQ would say and you wouldn't approve of.
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My friend is actually educated and intelligent. And while my friend does sometimes refer to white people as the devil, and does like to say after reading Malcolm X’s biography as a kid he vowed never to smoke, drink or date white women, he can speak to a lot more than that. That’s the difference. My friend doesn’t say “racist white man” to someone saying the sky is blue (for example).

I don’t agree with all he says. In fact I disagree with plenty. But I read and listen to him because he articulates a vision (and I like to read the comments and responses to his posts).
 
Bill said:
What did he have to say about it, other than that??

You have totally different culture & experiences etc...
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Basically he says we as black people need to do what other minority groups do but he never really says a lot more than that. You’re right, there are different cultures and experiences.

My friend was born and raised in East Oakland. I’ve mentioned before when my family moved to Oakland in 1981 it was about 50% black. Today it’s 25%. My friend has posted multiple times on Facebook that black shouldn’t be moving out of Oakland saying it was their cultural hub. (Black) people who had moved out of Oakland responded to him saying why they moved and he was wrong.

So not everyone shares his opinion and is one of multiple reasons why his vision of black separatism isn’t going to happen.
 
You left out the Jews. I was called a fucking Kike in a Christian Academy. And then beat up, mildly. In all my puplic school years, no one called me a derogatory Jewish name, ever.
 
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