So, You Want $15 An Hour?

Taichiliberal said:
You seem to favor your personal definitions and interpretations over historical and present facts.

People can and have been "governed" by monarchy, feudal systems, dictatorships, oligarchy, socialism, capitalism, communism, democracy, etc. This has happened in world history...it all evolves or is replaced. A matter of history, a matter of fact...which renders what you say a somewhat moot, but partly inaccurate point.
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This is America, bitch, a land of self-made men and non-serfs, and you better damn well keep that in mind!
 
Taichiliberal said:
You seem to favor your personal definitions and interpretations over historical and present facts.

People can and have been "governed" by monarchy, feudal systems, dictatorships, oligarchy, socialism, capitalism, communism, democracy, etc. This has happened in world history...it all evolves or is replaced. A matter of history, a matter of fact...which renders what you say a somewhat moot, but partly inaccurate point.
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Not in the US without a new Constitution. In the US, Government is social-ism. I only claim Government is social-ism. You can't have Government without it. Social: relating to society or its organization.
 
danielpalos said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You seem to favor your personal definitions and interpretations over historical and present facts.

People can and have been "governed" by monarchy, feudal systems, dictatorships, oligarchy, socialism, capitalism, communism, democracy, etc. This has happened in world history...it all evolves or is replaced. A matter of history, a matter of fact...which renders what you say a somewhat moot, but partly inaccurate point.
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Not in the US without a new Constitution. In the US, Government is social-ism. I only claim Government is social-ism. You can't have Government without it. Social: relating to society or its organization.
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Nope. Observe:

Merriam-Webster:

Socialism - : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


Capitalism - : an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
 
danielpalos said:
Not in the US without a new Constitution.
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Actually, any constitution will do, even the current one.
danielpalos said:
In the US, Government is social-ism.
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No. Socialism is not a form of government.
danielpalos said:
I only claim Government is social-ism. You can't have Government without it.
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Sure you can.
danielpalos said:
Social: relating to society or its organization.
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Semantics fallacy. Socialism is 'sharing the wealth' by force. In other words, theft.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Nope. Observe:

Merriam-Webster:

Socialism - : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done


Capitalism - : an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
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Dictionaries do not define any word. That is not the purpose of a dictionary.
Try again.
 
Into the Night said:
Actually, any constitution will do, even the current one.

No. Socialism is not a form of government.

Sure you can.

Semantics fallacy. Socialism is 'sharing the wealth' by force. In other words, theft.
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Government requires social-ism. It really is that simple. And, nobody takes right-wingers seriously about economics.
 
American Man said:
You assholes who think the minimum wage shouldn't go up always claimed that doing so would raise prices.

Well, now that so many stores are using automated checkouts, why aren't prices going down?

Oh, and if you think $15/hr is too much for minimum wage, then I think that six or seven figures is too much for a CEO's salary. :)
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1) I'm not against mw going up, it's just a matter of how much and for whom. I don't think teenagers need to earn $15 an hour to screw up my order at Burger King.

2) You say prices aren't going down in response to automation, but how do you know they wouldn't have gone UP if NOT for automation? You don't.

3) I don't think anyone disagrees with you on the CEO salary issue, but what're ya gonna do? There aren't that many highly talented people with the required business acumen who also have proven track records. So because they are free to decline offers they feel are too low and go somewhere else, companies pay their demands. But the main issue in that regard has to do with stock options, which is what constitutes most of these high compensation packages.

So, a lot of misinformation in your claims.
 
Nomad said:
1) I'm not against mw going up, it's just a matter of how much and for whom. I don't think teenagers need to earn $15 an hour to screw up my order at Burger King.

2) You say prices aren't going down in response to automation, but how do you know they wouldn't have gone UP if NOT for automation? You don't.

3) I don't think anyone disagrees with you on the CEO salary issue, but what're ya gonna do? There aren't that many highly talented people with the required business acumen who also have proven track records. So because they are free to decline offers they feel are too low and go somewhere else, companies pay their demands. But the main issue in that regard has to do with stock options, which is what constitutes most of these high compensation packages.

So, a lot of misinformation in your claims.
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Price controls don't work.
 
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