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Let's see if @christiefan915 can explain.

My guess is that she'll say, well, some men in the Crusades raped women too, or a variant thereof.
ONE Moroccan tried to rape a woman and because of that, women aren't safe in Europe. :rolleyes: Could that generalization be any more stupid?

I traveled through Ceuta when going to Morocco and never felt unsafe. The port was like any other crappy port, crowded, dirty and busy, and not in the center of the tourist district in Tangier. It would help if you stopped cherry picking through crimes, looked at the whole picture and stuck to facts.
 
ONE Moroccan tried to rape a woman and because of that, women aren't safe in Europe.


Is that so?

Who mentioned Europe? Oh, it was Y O U.

The claim of “one attempted rape” (unattributed) does not match available official and reported data. Ceuta records multiple known sexual assaults annually, including cases involving irregular migrants housed at the CETI (Centro de Estancia Temporal de Inmigrantes).

Documented recent cases involving CETI residents / irregular migrants​

  • October 2025: Two young Maghrebi men residing at the CETI were arrested for sexual assault on a woman (approx. age 37) on the Paseo de la Marina. One touched her intimate areas under her skirt while the other watched; it occurred in front of her two young daughters. They were charged with agresión sexual.
  • July 2025: A Guinean man (approx. 20–25) residing at the CETI was arrested for sexually assaulting a nurse at the center itself (exposing himself and grabbing her). This was one of several sexual aggression reports that month; the center’s director faced criticism over handling.
  • Other documented incidents include an Algerian CETI resident convicted for sexual aggression against a minor (attempted kiss/embrace leading to charges, with suspended sentence elements) and a prior case of a CETI resident assaulting and robbing a young woman in her building entrance.
These are not exhaustive. Local reporting and police actions show repeated incidents linked to men from the CETI or recent irregular entrants.

Broader official numbers​

Ministry of the Interior data (via local reporting of the Balance de Criminalidad) shows:

  • 2025: 52 known crimes against sexual freedom in Ceuta, of which 9 were agresiones sexuales con penetración (sexual assaults with penetration).
  • Prior years typically recorded several such cases (e.g., around 5 in 2024 data points; 5 with penetration amid 46 total sexual-freedom crimes in 2022). Absolute numbers are modest because Ceuta’s population is small (~80–85k), but rates of sexual crimes have often ranked relatively high.
Most victims of these crimes nationally and locally are women. Sexual violence is underreported in general, so police figures understate the total.

A claim limited to “one attempted rape” without sources or context is inaccurate against the public record of multiple reported assaults, including several involving irregular migrants at the CETI. The data does not support minimizing the occurrence of such crimes in Ceuta.



I traveled through Ceuta when in Morocco and never felt unsafe.

So you say.
 
You cannot speak for anyone else, Anchovies.

The applicability of the situation unfolding in Ceuta (note the correct spelling, Anchovies) to America's illegal immigration woes seems obvious to me.

BTW, Ceuta is Spanish territory.
Spanish territory located on the continent of Africa and inside Morocco. It's not actually in Europe.
 
Is that so?

Who mentioned Europe? Oh, it was Y O U.

The claim of “one attempted rape” (unattributed) does not match available official and reported data. Ceuta records multiple known sexual assaults annually, including cases involving irregular migrants housed at the CETI (Centro de Estancia Temporal de Inmigrantes).

Documented recent cases involving CETI residents / irregular migrants​

  • October 2025: Two young Maghrebi men residing at the CETI were arrested for sexual assault on a woman (approx. age 37) on the Paseo de la Marina. One touched her intimate areas under her skirt while the other watched; it occurred in front of her two young daughters. They were charged with agresión sexual.
  • July 2025: A Guinean man (approx. 20–25) residing at the CETI was arrested for sexually assaulting a nurse at the center itself (exposing himself and grabbing her). This was one of several sexual aggression reports that month; the center’s director faced criticism over handling.
  • Other documented incidents include an Algerian CETI resident convicted for sexual aggression against a minor (attempted kiss/embrace leading to charges, with suspended sentence elements) and a prior case of a CETI resident assaulting and robbing a young woman in her building entrance.
These are not exhaustive. Local reporting and police actions show repeated incidents linked to men from the CETI or recent irregular entrants.

Broader official numbers​

Ministry of the Interior data (via local reporting of the Balance de Criminalidad) shows:

  • 2025: 52 known crimes against sexual freedom in Ceuta, of which 9 were agresiones sexuales con penetración (sexual assaults with penetration).
  • Prior years typically recorded several such cases (e.g., around 5 in 2024 data points; 5 with penetration amid 46 total sexual-freedom crimes in 2022). Absolute numbers are modest because Ceuta’s population is small (~80–85k), but rates of sexual crimes have often ranked relatively high.
Most victims of these crimes nationally and locally are women. Sexual violence is underreported in general, so police figures understate the total.

A claim limited to “one attempted rape” without sources or context is inaccurate against the public record of multiple reported assaults, including several involving irregular migrants at the CETI. The data does not support minimizing the occurrence of such crimes in Ceuta.





So you say.
Dr. Maalouf mentioned Europe in the meme, dummy. Post 65. And Dr. Maalouf mentioned only one crime against the bus driver, not 52. But the point stands that this crime doesn't mean all of Europe is unsafe for women.
 
ONE Moroccan tried to rape a woman.

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I traveled through Ceuta when going to Morocco and never felt unsafe.

Christiecrite claims (without evidence), that she's been there and never felt unsafe.



Her claim is pure anecdote dressed up as rebuttal, and it collapses under the lightest scrutiny.


She asserts: “I traveled through Ceuta when going to Morocco and never felt unsafe.” No date, no duration, no itinerary beyond “the port,” no independent corroboration. Just “trust me, I was there.”

That is not evidence.

It is a personal feeling from one (unverified) transit. Feeling safe while passing through a busy port does not magically erase recorded crimes against sexual freedom in the city, any more than one tourist walking through a rough neighborhood without incident proves the crime stats are fake.


The numbers she waves away​


Official Ministry of the Interior Balance de Criminalidad data for Ceuta (population ~80–85k):


  • 2025: 52 crimes against sexual freedom, of which 9 were agresiones sexuales con penetración.
  • Prior recent years show consistent reporting in the same range (roughly mid-40s total sexual-freedom crimes, with several penetration cases annually).

These are known offenses. Sexual violence is chronically underreported everywhere; the true figure is higher. Absolute numbers look modest only because the city is tiny. Per-capita rates have repeatedly ranked high relative to the rest of Spain.


Documented cases involving CETI residents / irregular migrants (recent examples)​


  • October 2025: Two Maghrebi men from the CETI arrested for sexual assault on a woman (~37) on the Paseo de la Marina. One put his hand under her skirt and touched her intimate areas while the other watched. It happened in front of her two young daughters. Charged with agresión sexual.
  • July 2025: Guinean CETI resident (~20–25) arrested for sexually assaulting a nurse inside the center itself (exposed himself and grabbed her). One of several sexual-aggression reports that month; the center’s handling drew criticism.
  • Additional documented incidents include an Algerian CETI resident convicted for sexual aggression against a minor and earlier cases of CETI residents assaulting and robbing women.

These are not “one Moroccan tried to rape a woman.” They are repeated, reported, and charged offenses tied to the exact migrant-housing facility at the heart of the discussion.


The logical failure​


  1. Anecdote ≠ data. One traveler’s subjective experience (even if true) does not refute official statistics or multiple police-documented assaults.
  2. She invents the straw man. Nobody claimed every square meter of Ceuta is a war zone 24/7 or that “all of Europe is unsafe.” The point is pattern and risk, especially linked to irregular migration and the CETI population—exactly the dynamic relevant to the American parallel being discussed.
  3. Cherry-picking accusation is projection. She dismisses multiple recent, documented cases as “cherry picking” while offering zero sources of her own and reducing the public record to “ONE Moroccan.” That is the actual minimization.
  4. Unverifiable personal testimony is the weakest form of evidence. “I was there and felt fine” is what every tourist who didn’t get mugged says. It does not require anyone else to treat it as dispositive.

If her transit through the port was uneventful, good for her.

That fact has zero bearing on the recorded sexual assaults, the CETI-linked cases, or the official tallies.

Claiming otherwise is not “looking at the whole picture.”

It is substituting one person’s untestable feeling for the public record.


 
View: https://x.com/JorgeLiboreiro/status/2083227301001457908?s=20

The post is accurate based on official Spanish government figures at the time it was made.


The X post by Jorge Liboreiro (@JorgeLiboreiro, Euronews EU politics reporter) from July 31, 2026, states: “Update: over 48,300 people have returned from Ceuta to Morocco. About 1,700 people are still in Ceuta.” It quotes his earlier update citing the Spanish Interior Ministry for over 37,500 returns (75% of arrivals) and a death toll of 57.


Key claims and verification​


  • Arrivals and returns: Spain’s Interior Ministry estimated ~50,000 people crossed irregularly into the Spanish enclave of Ceuta from Morocco (mostly since Thursday morning, July 30). By ~6 p.m. local time on Friday, July 31, it reported 48,300 had returned (voluntarily or otherwise). This leaves roughly 1,700 still present, matching the post.
  • Multiple outlets (Reuters, El País, Euronews, CNN, CBS, AP/PBS, and Spanish media) reported the same or very similar Interior Ministry numbers throughout the day, with progressive updates (e.g., ~25,000 earlier, then 37,500, then 48,300).
  • Ceuta’s local government president Juan Jesús Vivas estimated higher arrivals (up to ~60,000). Some police sources and other reports used figures in that range. The central Interior Ministry stuck with ~50,000.
  • Remaining numbers: Official estimates of those still in Ceuta were in the low thousands (around 1,700–2,000 by late afternoon/evening). Returns continued, and Foreign Minister José Manuel Albares later described the “vast majority” or “práctica totalidad” as having gone back.
  • Deaths: The death toll of 57 (on the Spanish side; additional casualties possible on the Moroccan side) was reported by Spanish authorities/government representatives and carried by Reuters and others. Earlier provisional figures were lower (e.g., 34–41). Many deaths involved drowning or crushing while attempting to cross by sea around the breakwater/fence.

Context and caveats​


This was an unprecedented mass crossing into the small enclave (population ~83,000–85,000). Many returnees cited lack of food, shelter, closed shops, and difficult conditions in Ceuta; Spain and Morocco coordinated returns. Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez visited, called it a violation of territorial integrity, deployed additional forces (including military), and announced measures such as sea buoys.


Some local residents and social-media accounts from Ceuta disputed the official remaining figures, claiming far more people (tens of thousands) were still present and that the city was overwhelmed. These are anecdotal/testimonial claims rather than independently verified counts matching the Interior Ministry data cited in the post. Counting exact numbers in a chaotic, fluid situation involving voluntary returns, border flows, and large crowds is inherently approximate.


Bottom line: The post correctly reports the Spanish Interior Ministry’s official figures circulating that day. Independent confirmation of the precise residual count on the ground is limited, and local estimates of total arrivals varied higher, but major international and Spanish reporting consistently attributes the 48,300 / ~1,700 numbers to the Ministry.



 
Hmmmm.


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Yes, legit. It’s a real opinion/analysis piece published on Ynetnews (Ynet Global) around April 25–26, 2026, by Amine Ayoub.


The screenshot matches the actual article:Abraham Accords reach the Strait: how Israel can help Morocco reclaim its north


The piece argues that tensions between the US and Spain (over NATO issues), combined with Iranian influence dynamics, create an opening for Morocco to push its long-standing claims on the Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla. It positions Israel—via the Abraham Accords partnership and closer military/diplomatic ties with Morocco—as able to offer diplomatic backing to Rabat within a US-aligned framework that prioritizes cooperative partners.


Key context from the article and related coverage:


  • It is analysis/opinion, not an official Israeli government announcement or policy decision.
  • It references growing Israel-Morocco defense cooperation (including a January 2026 joint military work plan).
  • Similar themes have appeared in other Ynet analyses and external reporting (e.g., Spanish-language coverage noting the piece).

The image itself is a straightforward screenshot of the Ynet page (with some red underlining added in the version you shared). No indication it’s fabricated or manipulated beyond normal annotation.


 
How do you like that?



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The New York Times is reporting that Moroccans were encouraged to cross into Ceuta by the MOROCCAN AUTHORITIES.

Only 5 years ago, Moroccan border guards simply stepped aside after Spain hosted a Western Saharan leader Rabat opposed, and 8,000 people poured across in 2 days.

Spain’s own defense minister called it “aggression” and “blackmail” at the time.

“A State that sits on the routes can loosen or tighten the human flow like a valve to punish or extract concessions on disputes that have nothing to do with migration. These are successful pressure campaigns aimed at the softest points of soft states, and they keep working because the targets refuse to treat the operators as the enemy.”








The New York Times is reporting (July 31, 2026) that several Moroccan migrants who crossed into the Spanish enclave of Ceuta said Moroccan authorities encouraged or facilitated their entry. Examples from migrant interviews:


  • Authorities “opened the border and let everyone go by.”
  • Police pointed groups in the right direction with phrases like “Go that way, go that way.”
  • Officers encouraged people with comments such as “come to Spain.”

The Times notes that the exact trigger remains unclear (social media claims of an open border circulated widely, and a recent Spanish court ruling on sea arrivals is also cited as a possible pull factor). Experts have pointed out that such a large, rapid surge (estimates of ~50,000–60,000 people) would be difficult without some degree of Moroccan border relaxation. Moroccan officials have denied deliberate orchestration and said they are cooperating on returns; Spanish officials have also publicly emphasized cooperation while many migrants returned quickly.


2021 precedent​


This matches the May 2021 Ceuta crisis closely. After Spain hosted (for medical treatment) Brahim Ghali, the Polisario Front leader opposed by Morocco over Western Sahara, Moroccan border forces largely stood aside. Roughly 8,000–12,000 people crossed into Ceuta over about two days, many by swimming around breakwaters or walking at low tide. Spanish officials and contemporary reporting described Moroccan passivity as deliberate.


Spain’s then-Defense Minister Margarita Robles explicitly called the episode an “aggression” against Spanish and EU borders and “blackmail” (chantaje), stating Spain would not accept it and that using (including minor) migrants this way violated international norms.

The broader analytical point in the quote—that states controlling migration routes can treat human flows “like a valve” for leverage on unrelated disputes—is a widely recognized pattern in analyses of Morocco-Spain (and similar) border dynamics. The 2021 episode is the clearest recent illustration involving Ceuta; the 2026 events have prompted renewed discussion of the same dynamic, even as official accounts emphasize social media, economic motives, and trafficking.


 
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