The False Romance of Russia that attracts Trump's cult

[Cinnabar]

American conservatives who find themselves identifying with Putin’s regime refuse to see the country for what it actually is.

But in the 21st century, we must also contend with a new phenomenon: right-wing intellectuals, now deeply critical of their own societies, who have begun paying court to right-wing dictators who dislike America. And their motives are curiously familiar. All around them, they see degeneracy, racial mixing, demographic change, “political correctness,” same-sex marriage, religious decline. The America that they actually inhabit no longer matches the white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant America that they remember, or think they remember. And so they have begun to look abroad, seeking to find the spiritually unified, ethnically pure nations that, they imagine, are morally stronger than their own. Nations, for example, such as Russia.

This litany of horrors isn’t much different from what can be heard most nights on Fox News. Listen to Tucker Carlson. “The American dream is dying,” Carlson declared one recent evening, in a monologue that also referred to “the dark age that we are living through.” Carlson has also spent a lot of time on air reminiscing about how the United States “was a better country than it is now in a lot of ways,” back when it was “more cohesive.” And no wonder: Immigrants have “plundered” America, thanks to “decadent and narcissistic” politicians who refuse to “defend the nation.” You can read worse on the white-supremacist websites of the alt-right—do pick up a copy of Ann Coulter’s Adios America: The Left’s Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole—or hear more extreme sentiments in some evangelical churches. Franklin Graham has declared, for example, that America “is in deep trouble and on the verge of total moral and spiritual collapse.”

What a terrible place all of these people are describing. Who would want to live in a country like that? Or, to put it differently: Who wouldn’t sympathize with the enemies of a country like that? As it turns out, many do. Certainly Buchanan does. Russian cyberwarriors work with daily determination to undermine American utilities and electricity grids. Russian information warriors are trying to deform American political debate. Russian contract killers are murdering people on the streets of Western countries. Russian nuclear weapons are pointed at us and our allies.

He is not alone. The belief that Russia is on our side in the war against secularism and sexual decadence is shared by a host of American Christian leaders, as well as their colleagues on the European far right. Among them, for example, are the movers and shakers behind the World Congress of Families, an American evangelical and anti-gay-rights organization that Buchanan has explicitly praised. One of the WCF’s former leaders, Larry Jacobs, once declared that “the Russians might be the Christian saviors of the world.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/false-romance-russia/603433/

Read on folks. This explains the love affair phony Christians are having with Russia in its efforts to undermine Democracy and the USA. And the dumbass sock-cuckers don't even realize this...

Fortunately for all such critics, they don’t have to spend much time in the country they are “rooting” for, because there is no greater fantasy than the idea that Russia is a country of Christian values. In reality, Russia has one of the highest abortion rates in the world, nearly double that of the United States. It has an extremely low record of church attendance, though the numbers are difficult to measure, not least because any form of Christianity outside of the state-controlled Orthodox Church is liable to be considered a cult. A 2012 survey showed that religion plays an important role in the lives of only 15 percent of Russians. Only 5 percent have read the Bible.

And Russians don't have gun rights suckers.

Much more to read at the link.

 

[Grokmaster]

"CONSERVATIVES"??? "TRUMP's CULT"???? LIKE THESE TRAITORS ???

Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html


And then THIS TREASON:

Uranium One deal led to yellowcake exports to Europe, memos show


After the Obama administration approved the sale of a Canadian mining company with significant U.S. uranium reserves to a firm owned by Russia’s government, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission assured Congress and the public the new owners couldn’t export any raw nuclear fuel from America’s shores.

“No uranium produced at either facility may be exported,” the NRC declared in a November 2010 press release that announced that ARMZ, a subsidiary of the Russian state-owned Rosatom, had been approved to take ownership of the Uranium One mining firm and its American assets.

The NRC never issued an export license to the Russian firm, a fact so engrained in the narrative of the Uranium One controversy that it showed up in The Washington Post’s official fact-checker site this week. “We have noted repeatedly that extracted uranium could not be exported by Russia without a license, which Rosatom does not have,” the Post reported on Monday, linking to the 2011 Barrasso letter.

Yet NRC memos reviewed by The Hill show that it did approve the shipment of yellowcake uranium — the raw material used to make nuclear fuel and weapons — from the Russian-owned mines in the United States to Canada in 2012 through a third party. Later, the Obama administration approved some of that uranium going all the way to Europe, government documents show.


https://thehill.com/policy/national...deal-led-to-some-exports-to-europe-memos-show






Obama Caught promising Putin "more flexibility after (his) next election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...xibility-after-election-idUSBRE82P0JI20120326





Obama Chides Romney for Calling Russia our #1 Threat

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obam...-their-policy-back_n_5b5713e2e4b00e8c8eb74b08


Obama Won’t Arm Ukraine Because He Led the Disarming of Ukraine

https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...e-he-led-disarming-ukraine-andrew-c-mccarthy/


Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks in summer 2016


https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-cy...vR-F1p0MRb5IZr6ljJAHlhPlIhhKMD3c&guccounter=2




LIKE ALL OF THAT ^^^^^^^^^^^ ??!!!

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Here's all you really need to know about Donald Trump and Russia.

Donald Trump has been involved with Russians, in one capacity or another, ever since his trip to Russia to host a Miss Universe Contest.

When he was there hosting the Miss Universe event, he met with several Oligarchy figures, discussing his plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, met with Russian Oligarchy controlled bankers, since established loans with those banks to the tune of many millions of dollar, and even announced to the Russians that he had plans to run for president.

Since then, these banks that Donald Trump owes millions of dollars to, have fallen under US Sanctions with assets frozen in the US. This means, that DOnald Trump cannot seek any more loans from these Oligarchy controlled resources, AND HE CAN'T EVEN PAY BACK THE MONEY HE OWES THEM.

Both these Banks in Russia and East Europe, have been further sanctioned for their illegal laundering of money here in the US and elsewhere, where they have been accepting Real Estate from American Investors such as Donald Trump, in place of payments for loans.

The IRS has been investigating Donald Trump before he was ever elected, for exchanging real estate in the form of Condos with the Oligarchy to settle some of the debts he has with these banks that are being Sanctioned. THIS IS MONEY LAUNDERING! THIS IS ILLEGAL.

The thing is, is Our Trump Appointed TREASURY SECRETARY has been providing cover for Donald Trump by icing those ongoing Trump Investigations by the IRS.

So, if you are wondering what the connection is between Donald Trump and Russia is, it is the fact that DOnald Trump owes the Russian Banks Millions, and the Russians are putting pressure on Donald Trump to ease these sanctions that are preventing him from paying off his debts to the Oligarchy. And both DOnald Trump and these Oligarchy controlled banks have been caught exchanging properties and laundering money already by the IRS.

THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WHY DONALD TRUMP CANNOT REVEAL HIS TAXES TO THE PUBLIC- WHICH THE TRUMP APPOINTED CABINET MEMBER- SECRETARY OF THE US TREASURY IS ALSO SHELTERING AND COVERING UP FOR DONALD TRUMP!

This is all you need to know about Donald Trump and Russia!

AND IT SHOULD MAKE EVERY AMERICAN MAD AS HELL!

 

[Cinnabar]

Here's all you really need to know about Donald Trump and Russia.

Donald Trump has been involved with Russians, in one capacity or another, ever since his trip to Russia to host a Miss Universe Contest.

When he was there hosting the Miss Universe event, he met with several Oligarchy figures, discussing his plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, met with Russian Oligarchy controlled bankers, since established loans with those banks to the tune of many millions of dollar, and even announced to the Russians that he had plans to run for president.

Since then, these banks that Donald Trump owes millions of dollars to, have fallen under US Sanctions with assets frozen in the US. This means, that DOnald Trump cannot seek any more loans from these Oligarchy controlled resources, AND HE CAN'T EVEN PAY BACK THE MONEY HE OWES THEM.

Both these Banks in Russia and East Europe, have been further sanctioned for their illegal laundering of money here in the US and elsewhere, where they have been accepting Real Estate from American Investors such as Donald Trump, in place of payments for loans.

The IRS has been investigating Donald Trump before he was ever elected, for exchanging real estate in the form of Condos with the Oligarchy to settle some of the debts he has with these banks that are being Sanctioned. THIS IS MONEY LAUNDERING! THIS IS ILLEGAL.

The thing is, is Our Trump Appointed TREASURY SECRETARY has been providing cover for Donald Trump by icing those ongoing Trump Investigations by the IRS.

So, if you are wondering what the connection is between Donald Trump and Russia is, it is the fact that DOnald Trump owes the Russian Banks Millions, and the Russians are putting pressure on Donald Trump to ease these sanctions that are preventing him from paying off his debts to the Oligarchy. And both DOnald Trump and these Oligarchy controlled banks have been caught exchanging properties and laundering money already by the IRS.

THIS IS ALSO THE REASON WHY DONALD TRUMP CANNOT REVEAL HIS TAXES TO THE PUBLIC- WHICH THE TRUMP APPOINTED CABINET MEMBER- SECRETARY OF THE US TREASURY IS ALSO SHELTERING AND COVERING UP FOR DONALD TRUMP!

This is all you need to know about Donald Trump and Russia!

AND IT SHOULD MAKE EVERY AMERICAN MAD AS HELL!

We are aware of the origins of the birther-in-chief's love affair with the Russkie mafia and Oligarchs but his cult base has their own dumbass motives.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

We are aware of the origins of the birther-in-chief's love affair with the Russkie mafia and Oligarchs but his cult base has their own dumbass motives.

Yes! The main motive of the Trump base of Obama and Hillary haters, is the power of having a crooked criminal president who abuses every executive power he has, put himself above the Constitution, put himself above the law, and put himself above his oath of office, to carry out policies that favor the rich and most hateful WHITE NATIONAL RACISTS in AMERICA- much like our honorary Trump Supporting Forum member here- and KEEP HIS ASS IN POWER!.

 

[Grokmaster]

WE SEE WHAT PUTOS DID PUTIN'S BIDDING, INCLUDING ABETTING RUSSIAN ALLY IRAN, and WHO BOMBED THE RUSSIANS IN SYRIA, and YANKED THE DEAL WITH RUSSIAN ASSET IRAN, DON'T WE?

 

[Bigdog]

The False Romance of Russia that attracts Trump's cult

BERNIE honeymooned in the old USSR, and he's your party leader. And has his own cult of Bernie Bros.

 

[Saudade]

If the claim is that conservatives romanticize or excuse the ills of Russia, what of the Democrats who do the same for Ukraine?

Both Russia and Ukraine are extremely corrupt.

 

[StoneByStone]

If the claim is that conservatives romanticize or excuse the ills of Russia, what of the Democrats who do the same for Ukraine?

Both Russia and Ukraine are extremely corrupt.

The difference is that Ukraine is transitioning from Fascism to Democracy, and the Democrats are trying to speed up the process by getting them to adopt Western principles in exchange for support against Russia. Russia is still happily Fascist with no signs of changing and the Republicans are fine with that because they're becoming more Fascist.

 

[Saudade]

The difference is that Ukraine is transitioning from Fascism to Democracy, and the Democrats are trying to speed up the process by getting them to adopt Western principles in exchange for support against Russia. Russia is still happily Fascist with no signs of changing and the Republicans are fine with that because they're becoming more Fascist.

Ukraine has supposedly been transitioning to more ethical governance since the early 90s. It hasn't changed much since then, other than having more ethnic strife lately.

 

[StoneByStone]

Ukraine has supposedly been transitioning to more ethical government since the early 90s. It hasn't changed much since then, other than having more ethnic strife lately.

Because throughout that time, Ukraine was still heavily dependent on Russia, so they couldn't change all that much. It was only recently that there has been a real movement in Ukraine to get away from Russia and join the EU, either literally or within the EU sphere of influence. That's what caused that civil war a few years back. Today Ukraine and Russia are on bad terms because of the Crimea invasion, which is good for the Ukrainians. It's gotten harder for the Ukrainian Fascists to really make the argument that Russia is better for them than the EU.

 

[Saudade]

Because throughout that time, Ukraine was still heavily dependent on Russia, so they couldn't change all that much. It was only recently that there has been a real movement in Ukraine to get away from Russia and join the EU, either literally or within the EU sphere of influence. That's what caused that civil war a few years back. Today Ukraine and Russia are on bad terms because of the Crimea invasion, which is good for the Ukrainians. It's gotten harder for the Ukrainian Fascists to really make the argument that Russia is better for them than the EU.

What about the Ukrainian fascists that support the EU? If we're talking actual fascists, there are far right supporters on either side.

 

[tsuke]

i find it funny that the left says the right doesnt love america when the left thinks america is the source of all the worlds troubles

 

[volsrock]

Bernie naked in "Communist" USSR our cold war enemy at the time..when Trump went there the cold war was over and Russia no longer a threat .. just ask Obama

 

[StoneByStone]

What about the Ukrainian fascists that support the EU? If we're talking actual fascists, there are far right supporters on either side.

If there are Ukrainian Fascists who support the EU, they're both in the minority and very confused. The EU requires democratic elections, government transparency, and checks and balances. Sure, I'll support the Ukrainian Fascists who want that.

 

[Saudade]

If there are Ukrainian Fascists who support the EU, they're both in the minority and very confused. The EU requires democratic elections, government transparency, and checks and balances. Sure, I'll support the Ukrainian Fascists who want that.

I should rephrase what I meant by that. There are Fascists in Ukraine that support joining the EU, if only to keep out Russian influence. How that would work given what you mentioned is a bit tricky, but then again, we've seen fascism manipulate elections historically. Hitler rose to power via election. He didn't reach the pinnacle of his power that way, but he began his rise with it.

There are plenty of EU member states with questionable electoral practices. There's been a lot of criticism of Hungary lately, for example.

 

[StoneByStone]

I should rephrase what I meant by that. There are Fascists in Ukraine that support joining the EU, if only to keep out Russian influence. How that would work given what you mentioned is a bit tricky, but then again, we've seen fascism manipulate elections historically. Hitler rose to power via election. He didn't reach the pinnacle of his power that way, but he began his rise with it.

There are plenty of EU member states with questionable electoral practices. There's been a lot of criticism of Hungary lately, for example.

There are also Fascists who support environmental regulations, but not because of Fascism. The Fascists who want to move away from Russian influence are not doing so because of their Fascism. However, the ones who want to stay with Russia, and this includes American Republicans, are doing so because of Fascism.

The Nazis never actually won an election. Hitler was given his position by the German government in an effort to control the growing Nazi movement. This backfired when Hitler turned out to be smarter than they thought and was able to marginalize the people who were supposed to be controlling him. If anything, this is a lesson in why we shouldn't allow people to have power without democratic support.

Yeah, Viktor Orbán has been able to become a dictator, but he's had to battle the EU government and take advantage of the current chaos in order to do so. Fascism is possible in an EU country, but it's a lot harder to achieve. So yeah, maybe some Ukrainian Fascists want to have Fascism in the EU, but they probably know Fascism would be easier to achieve with Russia.

 

[Saudade]

There are also Fascists who support environmental regulations, but not because of Fascism. The Fascists who want to move away from Russian influence are not doing so because of their Fascism. However, the ones who want to stay with Russia, and this includes American Republicans, are doing so because of Fascism.

Well, if you're going to broaden the definition of fascism that much, sieg heil!

The Nazis never actually won an election. Hitler was given his position by the German government in an effort to control the growing Nazi movement. This backfired when Hitler turned out to be smarter than they thought and was able to marginalize the people who were supposed to be controlling him. If anything, this is a lesson in why we shouldn't allow people to have power without democratic support.

Yeah, Viktor Orbán has been able to become a dictator, but he's had to battle the EU government and take advantage of the current chaos in order to do so. Fascism is possible in an EU country, but it's a lot harder to achieve. So yeah, maybe some Ukrainian Fascists want to have Fascism in the EU, but they probably know Fascism would be easier to achieve with Russia.

On the flipside, there are plenty of ethnically Russian people living in Ukraine that prefer Russian rule. That's why the Crimean occupation was relatively smooth. The conflicts in Ukraine going on now are in more ethnically split areas.

 

[StoneByStone]

Well, if you're going to broaden the definition of fascism that much, sieg heil!

I'm saying that Fascism isn't Fascism just because Fascists support a thing. If Fascists want more environmental regulations, that does not make environmental regulations Fascist. However, siding with Russia, which is a Fascist country, is something Fascists are doing in order to advance Fascism. So no, I'm not broadening the definition.

On the flipside, there are plenty of ethnically Russian people living in Ukraine that prefer Russian rule. That's why the Crimean occupation was relatively smooth. The conflicts in Ukraine going on now are in more ethnically split areas.

I wouldn't say it went smooth. Ever since the occupation started, there has been a civil war there.

 

[Saudade]

I'm saying that Fascism isn't Fascism just because Fascists support a thing. If Fascists want more environmental regulations, that does not make environmental regulations Fascist. However, siding with Russia, which is a Fascist country, is something Fascists are doing in order to advance Fascism. So no, I'm not broadening the definition.

So, how exactly are Republicans being fascist in not buying the Russian collusion narrative?

I wouldn't say it went smooth. Ever since the occupation started, there has been a civil war there.

Crimea hasn't had war over it. But yes, the rest of Ukraine has.