The False Romance of Russia that attracts Trump's cult

[archives]

the Trump Tower meeting was a bust . there was no "Russia worked with Trump" -Mueller is clear. you can't spin it otherwise

The Trump Tower meeting, along with over a hundred other contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign showed the two were in close connection with each other, what Mueller concluded was that the relationship wasn't criminal because he couldn't prove the campaign understood what they were doing was illegal, but not because it didn't happen

And the only proof we have that the Trump Tower meeting was a "bust" is Junior's word on it, and we all know how honest the Trumps are when it comes to telling the truth

 

[Monad Portal]

The Trump Tower meeting, along with over a hundred other contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign showed the two were in close connection with each other, what Mueller concluded was that the relationship wasn't criminal because he couldn't prove the campaign understood what they were doing was illegal, but not because it didn't happen

And the only proof we have that the Trump Tower meeting was a "bust" is Junior's word on it, and we all know how honest the Trumps are when it comes to telling the truth

stay on the russia talking point. it's working well for your side. this is good advice.

 

[CharacterAssassin]

collusion isn't a legal term.
Mueller looked for "conspired or coordinated" as he was running a special counsel legal investigation.
For you to say "but collusion" -when the report said not - is typical. you gota be the dumbest A-hole on here
and that takes talent! *back on ignore*

I never claimed that it was a legal term, stupid whore. And the report didn't say no collusion.

The report demonstrated not only collusion, but also at least 8 instances of OOJ

Please stop fucking your own mother.

 

[Saudade]

and Russia made them corrupt asshole


we have been backing them heaving the Russian influence idiot

along with the rest of the western world


when did the republican party split with the western world and begin craving Putin cock and why?

Someone is quite triggered. Russia is responsible for some of their corruption, but they have plenty of homegrown corruption.

 

[Saudade]

the difference of course is Ukraine is cast as a "strategic partner" against Russia (it isn't -not even NATO)
so any criticism of our proxy war with Russia over Donbass is screamed at by the Russiaphobes as being
"soft on Putin"
Nobody ever thinks of "what if we don't war" or "what if we look for areas of cooperation" - basically the entire nation has been hoodwinked into Cold War 2.0 with Russia or worse.

Ukraine reeks of corruption,any dealings between the US and Ukraine are basically corrupt from the start

It's odd to see the reversal of roles in American politics regarding Russia. Historically, the GOP was less willing to work with Russia. Now, the Democrats have made Russia out to be the bogeyman, even though Obama was even more congenial with them up until very recently.

 

[Cypress]

It's odd to see the reversal of roles in American politics regarding Russia. Historically, the GOP was less willing to work with Russia. Now, the Democrats have made Russia out to be the bogeyman, even though Obama was even more congenial with them up until very recently.

That is a nice little myth the rightwing has relentlessly attempted to circulate on this board. As far back as a generation ago, in 2001, the leader of the Republican party, George Dumbya, was soul gazing into Vladimir Putin's baby blue eyes and purposefully pursuing a homoerotic bromance with him. To which liberals responded by mocking Dumbya for being utterly naive for falling in love with Putin the former KGB head, and for gushing about the goodness of his wonderful soul.

 

[Monad Portal]

That is a nice little myth the rightwing has relentlessly attempted to circulate on this board. As far back as a generation ago in 2001, the leader of the Republican party was soul gazing into Vladimir Putin's eyes and purposefully pursuing a homoerotic bromance, liberals were mocking Dumbya for being utterly naive for falling in love with Putin and gushing about the goodness of his woderfuk soul.

obama russian reset? the obama "ill have more leeway after the election" hot mic incident?

hmm. seems you're whistling out your asshole.

 

[Saudade]

That is a nice little myth the rightwing has relentlessly attempted to circulate on this board. As far back as a generation ago, in 2001, the leader of the Republican party, George Dumbya, was soul gazing into Vladimir Putin's baby blue eyes and purposefully pursuing a homoerotic bromance, to which liberals were mocking Dumbya for being utterly naive for falling in love with Putin and gushing about the goodness of his wonderful soul.

I see that BDS still exists on this board along with TDS. To have 2 afflictions at once... a poor soul you really are.

 

[Cypress]

I see that BDS still exists on this board along with TDS. To have 2 afflictions at once... a poor soul you really are.

You must not be from the United States if you don't remember George Dumbya soul gazing into the baby blues of the former KGB chief and gushing about him, while liberals expressed alarm at Dumbya's naivete

 

[Saudade]

You must not be from the United States if you don't remember George Dumbya soul gazing into the baby blues of the former KGB chief and gushing about him, while liberals expressed alarm at Dumbya's naivete

I do remember the Bush era, and during that time, I admittedly fell for the "Dubya bad" rhetoric. I never liked the guy, but in hindsight, I realize that he wasn't as bad as the media made him out to be.

Neoconservatism is still a crap ideology, but given the nature of both parties on foreign policy at this point, I can't really say that Bush was any worse than Obama. But if you want to point out any naivete in presidential interactions with Putin, Obama's hot mic moment wasn't exactly indicative of shrewd negotiation. Neither was the failed "line in the sand" comment he made regarding Syria.

That being said, Putin is certainly a more intelligent politician than a lot of the Democrats and even many of the Republicans. It doesn't mean I like the guy, but I can respect his cunning.

 

[Grokmaster]

The Trump Tower meeting, along with over a hundred other contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign showed the two were in close connection with each other, what Mueller concluded was that the relationship wasn't criminal because he couldn't prove the campaign understood what they were doing was illegal, but not because it didn't happen

And the only proof we have that the Trump Tower meeting was a "bust" is Junior's word on it, and we all know how honest the Trumps are when it comes to telling the truth

MAKEUP MUCH BULLSHIT?? THE TOWER MEETING WAS SET UP BY FUSION GPS and the OBAMA ADM., who allowed Veselnitskaya in the country MUELLER SPENT OVER TWO YEARS CHECKING OUT YOUR STRING OF LIES AND FOUND THEM TO BE JUST THAT= LIES.

STOP EMBARASSING YOURSELF.

GO READ POST #2 IN THIS THREAD, AND FACE THE FACTS.

 

[Saudade]

Yeah, but she didn't create these talking-points. The entire Republican party is standing behind this idiotic notion that the Mueller Report found nothing, when really it proved there was collusion between Trump and the Russian government.
And because Trump got away with that, he moved on to cheating in the next election. This is what happens when we allow politicians to get away with crimes they get caught for.

Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. What you consider indisputable proof is very different from what I would consider that.

We have no way of knowing that. There was one vote taken on the matter, but it was done by Russia, so it was just propaganda. That's why like 90% was supposedly in favor.

Assuming that they tilted it in their favor is one thing, but I don't get the impression that it was completely made up. I'd have to go back and look at what the official % was, but you could probably knock it down by about 10 or 20%.

 

[Saudade]

Terminated is the myth that conservatives were ever enthusiastic and fierce Cold War warriors standing for freedom and human dignity.

The only thing they ever cared about was the perceived economic challenge to corporate monied interests posed by a presumed global Communist insurgency.

The Anglo-American expeditionary force sent to kill Bolsheviks in Russia in 1919 were not there to fight for freedom and human rights. Conservatives never gave a rat's ass about the freedom and human rights of Russians.

Conservatives fell in love with the Kremlin because they realized these authoritarians would help Republicans win elections. Their own party leader on national TV begged the Kremlin and Communist China to help Republicans win, so we are beyond mere speculation about conservative motives

Newsflash -- American policy in general -- whether by liberals or conservatives -- has not been about freedom and human dignity. It's always about geopolitics.

And yes, Communism posed a problem for global capitalism. It also killed a lot more people than most other political ideologies and led to more suffering than most other ideologies.

So while America can't be seen as a selfless good guy in all this, the Communists don't exactly look great either. Real life is more like Game of Thrones. One brutal side vs. an even more brutal one.

Putin may not be a great guy, but the current Russian government is far better than the Stalin regime was.

 

[Grokmaster]

We are aware of the origins of the birther-in-chief's love affair with the Russkie mafia and Oligarchs but his cult base has their own dumbass motives.

POST #2. STOP EMBARASSING YOURSELF...