The health insurance 'death spiral' hitting more and more Americans

You do know that only 7% of Americans buy a plan off the Obamacare (ACA) marketplace don't you?


So, 7% of Americans are getting fucked over by that shitty Obamacare insurance plan. Maybe it's time we just dumped it and went back to what it was before because it would lower the cost of plans for 7% of Americans.
Once again, your stupidity is on exhibit for all to see. There is no form of health insurance in this nation that is NOT subsidized by the govt.. Those who don't get insurance from an employer turn to the ACA marketplace. About 23 million people. Add the Medicaid cuts that Republicans rammed through and you are talking about a collective 50 million people who have either lost health insurance, or are in the process of losing it.

Take your 7% figure and shove it up your ass. Before ACA, those who had no access to affordable healthcare could not just opt for 'what is was before'. There was nothing 'before'.
 
I am suggesting that. like with everything the government runs, there is no competition and the costs to bureaucrats is irrelevant. In a pay-as-you-go system where there is competition in the market providers are forced to deliver a quality product at a cost the market will bear. None of that is present in a Socialized medical system. Quality is irrelevant, or nearly so. Delivery of services has no urgency. Cost for what you get is irrelevant too. What matters to those running a socialized medical system is that the services delivered are, at least on paper, available and that the budgeted funding is what is spent.

So, for example, if you needed an MRI in a free-market healthcare system, you'd pay what it costs to do the MRI plus some profit margin. The wait time would be minimal because long waits increase chances of the competition outdoing you. In a socialized system, the MRI may have to be offered because the government rules say so. But you might have to wait six-months to a year to get one because equipment, technicians, and costs have to be controlled. The bureaucrats don't care if you die. They care that their budget is met and that the process is offered on paper.

Thus, in a for profit, free market system competition, quality of outcomes, and doing that at a price customers will pay is what's important. In a socialized system, meeting budget and required processes along with documentation are what's important. Customers are just a nusiance.
Did Chatgpt offer you this garbage?

Best to admit it, because the alternative is that this nonsense was actually cooked up in your head.

What happens when you have a catastrophic incident and you end up with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bills because you spent a week in the hospital?
 
Once again, your stupidity is on exhibit for all to see. There is no form of health insurance in this nation that is NOT subsidized by the govt.. Those who don't get insurance from an employer turn to the ACA marketplace. About 23 million people. Add the Medicaid cuts that Republicans rammed through and you are talking about a collective 50 million people who have either lost health insurance, or are in the process of losing it.

Take your 7% figure and shove it up your ass. Before ACA, those who had no access to affordable healthcare could not just opt for 'what is was before'. There was nothing 'before'.
Yes, 7% of Americans use the ACA marketplace--that is 24 million.

Actually, almost all employer provided health insurance is not government subsidized.

As for the 23 million on expanded Medicaid, that's just another form of social-welfare.
 
Did Chatgpt offer you this garbage?

Best to admit it, because the alternative is that this nonsense was actually cooked up in your head.

What happens when you have a catastrophic incident and you end up with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bills because you spent a week in the hospital?
I don't let AI do my thinking, unlike you and Dio do.
 
So your claim is 93% of the US population has group insurance? Prove that.
No, you are making an inductive fallacy here. I stated that about 7% of the population have an Obamacare marketplace plan. Another 7% are on expanded Medicaid. That doesn't examine what the other 86%, give or take, of the population are doing for health insurance coverage.
 
About. Half of those, about 24 million, buy a heavily subsidized policy that taxpayers pay for. The other half simply are on expanded Medicaid and get 100% taxpayer funded coverage. Basically, Obamacare just fucks taxpayers while private insurers make bank.

The part you fail to address is insurers were prohibited from assessing any risk, hence they had to depend on subsidies to stay afloat. "Makingi bank" you are highly misinformed. Stop relying on chatgpt and write your own responses.
 
You do know that only 7% of Americans buy a plan off the Obamacare (ACA) marketplace don't you?


So, 7% of Americans are getting fucked over by that shitty Obamacare insurance plan. Maybe it's time we just dumped it and went back to what it was before because it would lower the cost of plans for 7% of Americans.
That's 24 million people you know.

And then there' 60 million or so who benefited from the Medicaid expansion that was also in the bill.

And that gets us pretty damn close to 1/3 of Americans being helped by the ACA.

And typically the lowest income folks too.
 
No, you are making an inductive fallacy here. I stated that about 7% of the population have an Obamacare marketplace plan. Another 7% are on expanded Medicaid. That doesn't examine what the other 86%, give or take, of the population are doing for health insurance coverage.
Regardless, your claim that insurers are on some gravy train "making bank" with gubmint subsidies is laughable.

Try legally removing the ability to assess risk from auto insurers, homeowners insurers. See what happens.
 
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And this is true too. I remember when people were denied coverage if they'd had a stomach ache, pretty much. There needed to be reform, but more thoughtful than one which destroyed insurers completely.
 
For-profit healthcare always results in minimum care and minimum staffing to maximize profits. It is easy to justify shutting down rural hospitals because they are not profitable enough.
Capitalism makes healthcare cheap, affordable, and high quality.
It also provides for rural clinics and airlifting to major hospitals.

"Free" healthcare ain't free. It is ruinously expensive and inferior, Sybil. TANSTAAFL.
 
"The overall average increase in underlying individual market premiums for people who weren't subsidy-eligible in 2025 was a little more than 25% nationwide," Norris said. "So this family's experience tracks very similarly to the average."



Among those who were eligible for the enhanced subsidies and then lost them, you find even starker cases, Norris said. She pointed to a hypothetical 63-year-old couple in West Virginia earning $85,000 — just above the subsidy threshold. In 2025, they could get the lowest-cost ACA Gold plan for $300 a month. In 2026, that same plan costs $4,562 a month.

Republicans have tried to repeal, gut, or otherwise undermine the ACA in one form or another since it passed in 2010, including through court challenges and funding fights. The law has always capped the percentage of income expected to be spent on premiums, with subsidies phasing out altogether above 400% of the federal poverty level. That was the baseline for years.

Mike Smith, president emeritus of The Brokerage Inc. and a health insurance expert, said the ACA increasingly resembles a two-tier system in which many middle-income Americans technically have insurance but cannot realistically afford to use it — "catastrophic coverage disguised as comprehensive insurance," as he described it.

"Having insurance doesn't always mean healthcare is affordable or accessible," Noonan said. When premiums rise to the point where people can no longer afford them, she said, the consequences can cascade quickly. People downgrade their coverage. Then they find themselves with less substantial insurance, paying more out of pocket since their plans cover less.



"The first impact is usually cost. Specialist visits, lab work, and routine screenings become harder to afford," Noonan said."What begins as a financial challenge can become a health crisis.

"A screening that gets skipped or a therapy that gets paused rarely stays contained to a single moment," Noonan added. "It resurfaces later as a preventable complication, a condition that has advanced further than it should have, or a recovery that is longer, harder, and more expensive."

Thats what happens when you take the death stab that made that filthy bastard fauci rich. You people are idiots
 
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