Taichiliberal
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POSTS #44 & 131.
The most secure election ever and other lies.
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ZenMode
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Based on what?
China and Russia have been interfering in our elections for decades.
China extracted information from voter rolls. That's a serious concern, but changes both about the election or elect security.
No they don't and neither do Republicans.
What cheating?
I'm sure some do.
QP!
Verified User
The newly declassified intelligence documents released by Donald Trump do not prove that China cheated or successfully altered any election results. Multiple U.S. intelligence assessments included in the release explicitly confirm that no foreign actor manipulated the actual technical voting process or changed vote counts in the 2020 election. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Fact-checking organizations and intelligence analysts, including reviews published by Lawfare and The Hill, broke down what the data actually revealed regarding China, Russia, and other foreign nations: [1, 2]
What the Data Showed About China
- Data Collection, Not Vote Alteration: The files showed that Chinese-aligned actors targeted and acquired roughly 220 million U.S. voter registration files. However, U.S. intelligence agencies pointed out that much of this information (names, addresses, and party preferences) is already publicly available or legally purchasable. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
- No Direct Interference: A declassified National Intelligence Council memo found that while China had the capability to compromise data repositories, Beijing ultimately "has not deployed influence efforts intended to change the outcome of the U.S. presidential election," preferring stability in the bilateral relationship. [1, 2]
- Influence Tactics: The documents noted that China's efforts were restricted to trying to shape public opinion online, such as paying for negative press or pushing narratives to make the administration look bad. [1, 2]
What the Data Showed About Russia
- Active Support for Trump: In contrast to Trump's focus on China, the declassified documents actually reinforced prior intelligence findings that Russia actively tried to help Trump. [1, 2]
Why would Russia or China care if they get caught influencing elections in the US?
The US influences elections all over the world, to a massive extent, so Americans can't really consider that illegal.
The Chinese gov't forcefully influences elections in Canada, even using threats and intimidation of the Chinese community, to get the Liberals elected. They even had at least 5 police stations in Canada, believe it or not.
Regardless of how much you like Biden/Trump, it's clear that having Biden as President was a much easier option for China. The only benefit for China, Iran etc of having Trump president is that it makes their anti-America propaganda easier to push on leftists.
I'm glad to see that having your crying breaks, naps and emotional support animal at work have gotten you to the point where you no longer need your butthurt cream "becuz uv evow twumpy
", but leftist man-buns need that on date night, remember? Gawd you're a stupid little man.
QP!
Verified User
There has been no bigger goal on the Chinese and Russian wish list than the destabilization of Nato, and seeing fractures between the US and the rest of their allies.
There is not even a close second to that and Trump gave them all of that. The US enjoys its worst standing in the world and Trump has fallen behind Xi in terms of a 'trusted leader' world wide.
That you are completely unaware of this is why no one should take you seriously on these topics.
NATO is a joke because the gov'ts of England, France, Spain, Canada, Turkey, etc are a complete joke.
Trump's strength was our one saving grace. Without him, Iran would have nukes, and the world would be in grave jeopardy.
What NATO needs is more sensible European leaders, and for Turkey to be out
One, we all do not know that...in fact, it appears that the majority of sane people think that is a bunch of horse shit.
Two, I am not a Democrat, but I seriously doubt they want fraudulent elections. Think about it, why would they want you assholes elected?
As for what China wanted, THE BEST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN FOR ANY ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES...IS FOR TRUMP TO E ELECTED. NONE OF OUR ENEMIES HOPE THAT HE WOULD LOSE. HE IS A DISASTER FOR AMERICA. HE HAS DONE MORE DAMAGE TO THE UNITED STATES THAN ALL OUR FOREIGN ENEMIES COMBINED.
QP!
Verified User
For sake of argument even is Nato was a joke and reliant on the US (of which the US greatly benefitted) it was still something China and Russia could not have taken on and yes, US strength in that alliance was key to that.
Now, regardless of that Nato is much more of joke. Much weaker. Putin could march into a Baltic Nato country tomorrow and Trump would have to weigh what was 'in it for him' before he would decide on the role the US would play in it.
Trump's weakness is dooming the West and pushing China's rise. If Iran gets nukes it will be because Trump proved to them the US is useless when it comes to stopping them. There is a brand new alert out by the US now about a new Iran nuke threat which only PROVES Trump and the US can DO NOTHING to stop Iran nuclear ambitions. Their 'obliteration' is useless' Their 'decimation' is a laughable joke, if just weeks later Iran can always be a threat again.
this announcement is still on the White House web site, Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated — and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News, claiming Iran's nuclear program was not a threat to the world for years to come, PROVING what a joke Trump and the US are as Iran laughs, said 'hold my beer' and restarted it almost instantly and made it such a threat it was weeks away from bombing the US.
Registration requires proof, The election commission is charged with verifying the registrations. But you do not turn one in without getting proof.I would think that ID would stick with you. How often should you have to show ID? What if you vote in primaries?
Most states do not mandate a physical birth certificate to register to vote. The vast majority rely on a signed declaration of citizenship under penalty of perjury. The National Voter Registration Act
Jack Grealish
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China needs a good relationship with the United States. That has always been a basic theme. Many Americans mistakenly think China is an enemy of the U.S., and therefore, as an enemy, it will do everything to be anti-America. But that is simply not the case. Did you know that one week before the 2024 U.S. presidential election, Chinese authorities actually told online media outlets not to comment on the election? They knew Americans would seize on any statement from China and describe it as an attempt to influence the election. They wanted to avoid that. I am Chinese. I am not saying Americans have to like China. But on many issues, your understanding is basically wrong.
Althea
Althea told me...
I vote in a small town. The workers know most of the people who are voting, but I still have to sign in and the signature must match. There is no need to use ID to vote. Or I should say, no need to have the narrow scope of ID that trump wants people to use.
ZenMode
Well-known member
That's ridiculous. Stop making things up.
The only secure elections are the ones where (R)s win. **eyeroll**
I suggest that if they truly feel the elections are rigged, FatLame and the rest of the mewling MAGATs stay home and watch Fox. lol
Poor gullible dumbshit dupe. No, *we* do not know anything of the kind. The only ppl who believe that nonsense are you Trumpsuckers. China may be hacking this and that, but "hacking our voter roles" would gain them nothing. That info is a matter of public record. Those people search sites often include whether the individual you're looking up is a registgered voter, and what party they are registered with if they chose one. Don't believe this? Pick some random persons you know in real life and look them up.
Trump is desperate to his his tiny orange fingers on those roles and gain the power to purge them to ensure that your fascist party stays in power. Be careful what you wish for. Two can play that game.
You must have quite the dowager's hump from carrying Trump's water for so many years. Isn't that painful?