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Charleston?
The Republican Party is Dying. Old, Racist, and Cannot Grow.
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blackascoal
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That too is quite possible good sister.
But at some point, they will have to be led and organized .. and when you're talking about independents who are all over the place politically .. that could be like herding cats.
Has some of the best She-crab soup and Shrimp/grits anywhere in the country. What else about it?
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Stephen Miller is as bad and worse as any racist on this board .. and he is in the Trump Administration.
No reason not to kick him to the curb also.
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Who does he think he is with the brother/sister crap? Maybe Uncle Remus?
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Indeed
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once the republican name has been so stained with failure and racism after trumpy the Rinos they forced out over the years will connect up with the people who left the Democratic party because they thought is was too liberal will become the independent conservative party
or something like named
the republican party will be too small to command the power to promise anything
we will gut the gerrymandering and make sure id laws are trimmed down to a rational request and we will have the Democratic party filling the place Aacorn used to fill of making sure everyone gets registered to vote
slowly more conservative dems will peal off and join the more liberal republican ex rinos
the good thing is the kids are more liberal every decade
we many just end up back in the place where they parties actually try to out idea each other as planned by the founders
for the last 50 yeas or so the republicans have just tried to out lie everyone to get the wealthy their bidding
Democracy working as the founders planned it
and trump will have proved this country can actually function to get rid of a president who tries to ruin the country.
WE ARE PROVEN STRONGER that just the rule of the president
Proof the exsecutive is not too powerful
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Many politicians are, including the HillBillys!!
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/20/trump-may-be-a-narcissist-but-the-clintons-are-sociopaths/
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so you are telling me about black voters powers in the Democratic party? *duh* is this something new?"breeding' .. 'competitive ideas' .. you are a moron.
African-Americans only makeup about 13% of the American population. We gained power by what? BREEDING???
Competitive ideas?????
TIME: Donald Trump Has the Lowest Approval Rating in History After One Year
http://time.com/5103776/donald-trump-approval-rating-graph/
DONALD TRUMP’S APPROVAL RATING HITS NEW RECORD LOW, MAKING HIM THE MOST UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT IN POLL HISTORY
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...w-record-low-making-him-most-unpopular-741916
Poll: Under Trump, global approval of U.S. leadership hits historical low
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/trump-global-leadership-polls-344989
Who is to judge these competitive ideas? You?
You're just another dumb ass example of why the Republican Party is dying.
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Since you have an inability to read and respond to posts - ill make it simple for you .
The OP is claiming demographics are the key reason the " old dead white guys (whatever)" party is doomed right?
NOTE: it's not talking about Trumps numbers now which you have a propensity to post on ANY discussion-
rather the fact that demographics are the wave of the future..blah blah..
I read the OP and aside from the usual cries of raycist blah blah -that's what it says.
so my comment:
^ is spot on..you aren't claiming any superior ideas- you (OP) are claiming demographics leads to power.
the rest of you nauseating insults are ignored..my point stands..
( and now you get to tell me about Trumps poll numbers and "raycists white people" are why he was elected.)
SOS, BAC.. same no ideas from Dems
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A Republican intellectual explains why the Republican Party is going to die
Avik Roy is a Republican’s Republican. A health care wonk and editor at Forbes, he has worked for three Republican presidential hopefuls — Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Marco Rubio. Much of his adult life has been dedicated to advancing the Republican Party and conservative ideals.
But when I caught up with Roy at a bar just outside the Republican convention, he said something I’ve never heard from an establishment conservative before: The Grand Old Party is going to die.
“I don’t think the Republican Party and the conservative movement are capable of reforming themselves in an incremental and gradual way,” he said. “There’s going to be a disruption.”
Roy isn’t happy about this: He believes it means the Democrats will dominate national American politics for some time. But he also believes the Republican Party has lost its right to govern, because it is driven by white nationalism rather than a true commitment to equality for all Americans.
“Until the conservative movement can stand up and live by that principle, it will not have the moral authority to lead the country,” he told me.
His history of conservatism was a Greek tragedy. It begins with a fatal error in 1964, survived on the willful self-delusion of people like Roy himself, and ended with Donald Trump.
“I think the conservative movement is fundamentally broken,” Roy tells me. “Trump is not a random act. This election is not a random act.”
Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He himself was not especially racist — he believed it was wrong, on free market grounds, for the federal government to force private businesses to desegregate. But this “principled” stance identified the GOP with the pro-segregation camp in everyone’s eyes, while the Democrats under Lyndon Johnson became the champions of anti-racism.
This had a double effect, Roy says. First, it forced black voters out of the GOP. Second, it invited in white racists who had previously been Democrats. Even though many Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act in Congress, the post-Goldwater party became the party of aggrieved whites.
“The fact is, today, the Republican coalition has inherited the people who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 — the Southern Democrats who are now Republicans,” Roy says. “Conservatives and Republicans have not come to terms with that problem.”
“Conservative intellectuals, and conservative politicians, have been in kind of a bubble,” Roy says. “We’ve had this view that the voters were with us on conservatism — philosophical, economic conservatism. In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”
He expands on this idea: “It’s a common observation on the left, but it’s an observation that a lot of us on the right genuinely believed wasn’t true — which is that conservatism has become, and has been for some time, much more about white identity politics than it has been about conservative political philosophy. I think today, even now, a lot of conservatives have not come to terms with that problem.”
This, Roy believes, is where the conservative intellectual class went astray. By refusing to admit the truth about their own party, they were powerless to stop the forces that led to Donald Trump’s rise. They told themselves, over and over again, that Goldwater’s victory was a triumph.
But in reality, it created the conditions under which Trump could thrive. Trump’s politics of aggrieved white nationalism — labeling black people criminals, Latinos rapists, and Muslims terrorists — succeeded because the party’s voting base was made up of the people who once opposed civil rights.
“[Trump] tapped into something that was latent in the Republican Party and conservative movement — but a lot of people in the conservative movement didn’t notice,” Roy concludes, glumly.
For conservatism to live, the conservative movement has to die
The Republican Party, and the conservative movement that propped it up, is doomed.
Both are too wedded to the politics of white nationalism to change how they act, but that just isn’t a winning formula in a nation that’s increasingly black and brown. Either the Republican Party will eat itself or a new party will rise and overtake its voting share.
For the entire history of modern conservatism, its ideals have been wedded to and marred by white supremacism. That’s Roy’s own diagnosis, and I think it’s correct. As a result, we have literally no experience in America of a politically viable conservative movement unmoored from white supremacy.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
Avik Roy is a Republican’s Republican. A health care wonk and editor at Forbes, he has worked for three Republican presidential hopefuls — Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Marco Rubio. Much of his adult life has been dedicated to advancing the Republican Party and conservative ideals.
But when I caught up with Roy at a bar just outside the Republican convention, he said something I’ve never heard from an establishment conservative before: The Grand Old Party is going to die.
“I don’t think the Republican Party and the conservative movement are capable of reforming themselves in an incremental and gradual way,” he said. “There’s going to be a disruption.”
Roy isn’t happy about this: He believes it means the Democrats will dominate national American politics for some time. But he also believes the Republican Party has lost its right to govern, because it is driven by white nationalism rather than a true commitment to equality for all Americans.
“Until the conservative movement can stand up and live by that principle, it will not have the moral authority to lead the country,” he told me.
His history of conservatism was a Greek tragedy. It begins with a fatal error in 1964, survived on the willful self-delusion of people like Roy himself, and ended with Donald Trump.
“I think the conservative movement is fundamentally broken,” Roy tells me. “Trump is not a random act. This election is not a random act.”
Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He himself was not especially racist — he believed it was wrong, on free market grounds, for the federal government to force private businesses to desegregate. But this “principled” stance identified the GOP with the pro-segregation camp in everyone’s eyes, while the Democrats under Lyndon Johnson became the champions of anti-racism.
This had a double effect, Roy says. First, it forced black voters out of the GOP. Second, it invited in white racists who had previously been Democrats. Even though many Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act in Congress, the post-Goldwater party became the party of aggrieved whites.
“The fact is, today, the Republican coalition has inherited the people who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 — the Southern Democrats who are now Republicans,” Roy says. “Conservatives and Republicans have not come to terms with that problem.”
“Conservative intellectuals, and conservative politicians, have been in kind of a bubble,” Roy says. “We’ve had this view that the voters were with us on conservatism — philosophical, economic conservatism. In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”
He expands on this idea: “It’s a common observation on the left, but it’s an observation that a lot of us on the right genuinely believed wasn’t true — which is that conservatism has become, and has been for some time, much more about white identity politics than it has been about conservative political philosophy. I think today, even now, a lot of conservatives have not come to terms with that problem.”
This, Roy believes, is where the conservative intellectual class went astray. By refusing to admit the truth about their own party, they were powerless to stop the forces that led to Donald Trump’s rise. They told themselves, over and over again, that Goldwater’s victory was a triumph.
But in reality, it created the conditions under which Trump could thrive. Trump’s politics of aggrieved white nationalism — labeling black people criminals, Latinos rapists, and Muslims terrorists — succeeded because the party’s voting base was made up of the people who once opposed civil rights.
“[Trump] tapped into something that was latent in the Republican Party and conservative movement — but a lot of people in the conservative movement didn’t notice,” Roy concludes, glumly.
For conservatism to live, the conservative movement has to die
The Republican Party, and the conservative movement that propped it up, is doomed.
Both are too wedded to the politics of white nationalism to change how they act, but that just isn’t a winning formula in a nation that’s increasingly black and brown. Either the Republican Party will eat itself or a new party will rise and overtake its voting share.
For the entire history of modern conservatism, its ideals have been wedded to and marred by white supremacism. That’s Roy’s own diagnosis, and I think it’s correct. As a result, we have literally no experience in America of a politically viable conservative movement unmoored from white supremacy.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12256510/republican-party-trump-avik-roy
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blackascoal
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.. the stupid just keeps on rolling out of you.
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note he didn't even mention the party of abusing women to show how manly you are
pushing women OUT of the party
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The HillBillys are certainly not poor, not now anyway, and they are definitely full on sociopaths.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/01/07/is_bill_clinton_a_sociopath__129236.html
https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/17/out-of-the-blue-hillarys-sociopathy-revealed-in-des-moines
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Heres an interesting poll taken this month.
Bsically, not only are millennial voters open to Trump, but to the GOP in general. The #draintheswamp resonates with them.
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because your party keeps cheating our voters out of the right to vote
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uh huh..
so you got demographics - agreed. But do tell us about those Dem ideas..
The only one I want is single pay ( which you could have mentioned) the rest of identity politics
is just that.. herd-like dumb behavior.
For myself I don't care about the long term health of the GOP - in many ways they are as bad as Dems.
Xenophobic morons who won't give DACA kids full citizenship -i completely reject that..
Trump is interested in border security, but also economic nationalism to rival China's expansion,
and rebuilding the military from the damages of sequestration = why i support him , and not the brain dead Dems
Other then that I could care less about partisan politics..have at it.