LOL. An injured wrist. He did not write it. Madison did.
The right to bear Arms? Not necefsarily.
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LOL. An injured wrist. He did not write it. Madison did.
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Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
I've covered all those points in the thread above, and again, most of your quotes are incorrect, inconclusive, wrong or mashups. You need to research them before posting - I've already exposed many and don't intend to do this every time a gun nut gets it wrong.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Covered several times above. I'm not a copier sitting at a conveyor belt, repeating the same points over and over.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Jefferson oversaw it. We don't know which scribe made the mistakes, but it was probably Jefferson's.
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Arms. That included cannon, ships, etc. They couldn't give a shit about private muskets grandma used to shoo away Indians.
Homer Simpson is the Safety Inspector in Sector 7G in the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.
Just sayin'
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
As you can see from the graphic, the original 2nd amendment was quite different from the copied version, which would give rise to men centuries later campaigning to have enemies of the state legally armed. When the amendment was ratified by the States, Jefferson had it copied by some scribe, working by candlelight, with poor glasses and failing eyesight, no doubt exhausted from hours of scribbling, using a quill. Whoever the poor chump was he copied the text incorrectly by removing commas and changing capital letters. That changed the whole meaning of the 2nd amendment.
It went from:
A well regulated Militia, being necefsary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
To:
A well regulated militia being necefsary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
There were five important changes. The M in ‘Militia’ was made into lowercase. The comma behind it was removed. The P in ‘People’ was made into lowercase. The A in ‘Arms’ was made into lowercase. The comma behind it was removed.
The sentence is centuries old and people spoke and wrote differently then, which is why it says ‘necefsary’ instead of ‘necessary’. What you have now is a changed version of the 2nd amendment instead of the original. For centuries it wouldn’t matter since everyone had a gun, but in our amazing and shrinking new world ‘Arms’ have evolved from muskets and horse drawn cannon into nuclear bombs, jets, missiles, machine guns and so on. The word ‘Arms’ comes from ‘Armaments’. People like you and I don’t have armaments. Armies, Navies and Air Forces have armaments.
Given that it was ‘the militia’ the 2nd was referring to, and given that the militia was to be ‘regulated’, it is clear that ‘gun control’ is a part of the 2nd since regulating your militia means controlling its guns. Since the 2nd talks about the militia existing for the security of the state, it is clear that one of their roles would be to disarm the state’s enemies, and as you know, disarming people is gun control. So they were happy to use gun control among themselves and over their enemies.
“The people” are those served by the well regulated Militia. A ninety year old one-legged woman isn’t going to be part of the Militia, but it will still serve her. A mental patient won’t be part of it, but it will still serve him. A six year old blind girl won’t be a part of it, but it will still serve her.
Today we would write the Second amendment as follows:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State (the right of the people to keep and bear Arms), shall not be infringed.
The bracketed section explains the first part, thus it is clear that a well regulated Militia is the right of the people.
A very well structured and well thought out argument.
You have really opened up a can of worms and bent some gun nuts noses out of joint, brother.
Well played.
Interesting that it was mostly those "private muskets" that won our freedom, wasn't it?
Rob Larrikin
Thunderstruck
Would you want him packing an AR15 to work?
I doubt AR15's are allowed in a Nuclear Plant, or any firearm for that matter.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
That is the popular myth.
Washington's army would give a different perspective.
Yorktown and Saratoga.
Are you suggesting private muskets weren't a significant contributing factor of us winning our freedom?
http://www.doublegv.com/ggv/battles/tactics.html
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Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
You said "mostly". Without Washington's victories at Yorktown and Saratoga the minutemen would have lost significantly.
I suggest you compare the definitions of the words mostly and significant.
From my above posted link.
"The main weapons of the American Revolution were the muzzleloading flintlock musket, its attached bayonet, and the cannon. Secondary weapons were the rifle and pistol, swords and other cutting weapons. By far, the most common weapon was the smoothbore flintlock musket, of a large caliber, .62 to .75 inch bore, or equal to 16 to 11 gauge shotguns."
And yes, I am fully aware of the definitions of the words I use.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
You are obviously illiterate.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
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Satire for Sanity
They weren't a ' significant contributing factor ' to the extermination of the 'buffalo ' as a vital Native American food-source. That particular culture was destroyed by more advanced weaponry in the hands of more advanced morons- just as modern American culture is undermined by more ' advanced ' weaponry today.