This is historic

Mott the Hoople said:
No I was one who gave him credit for reaching out to NK. I’m not quite ready to nominate him for pope yet either. It’s nice he’s broken the ice and that the two nations are taking and that’s a good start and very commendable but before you have a Trumpgasm you might want to keep in mind that’s all that’s been accomplished.
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Not sure I’d call it a ‘reach out’, but yeah lol.

You can try and soft peddle all you want but the fact remains that without Trump we wouldn’t be where we’re at with the Koreas. The SK leader says as much.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



Some will certainly refuse to give credit to Trump. He cannot be denied this one. He has certainly played a part in this. How big a part is still not clear, but he certainly deserves some cred for this.

Of course, leave it to Trump to spoil anything good he does. As tensions are so thankfully easing in Korea, we are on the verge of a very nasty war with Iran where all the tensions were settled and we had a deal. Don't underestimate Iran. That would not be a pushover like Iraq. If you can call what happened in Iraq a pushover. But the military/military part was over in relatively short order. Would Russia get involved in Iran to make it an impossible proxy?
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They were saying the same thing about NK some months ago lol.

The mullahs can barely contain the periodic outbreaks of revolutionaries. They aren’t interested in a war with us. The Sweet Deal Obama gave them is allowing Tehran to fund terrorists groups instead helping their people.

Had Obama backed the people in the Iranian uprising in his first term, Trump might have inherited one less foreign policy mess from his Ivy League educated predecessors.
 
Darth Omar said:
They were saying the same thing about NK some months ago lol.

The mullahs can barely contain the periodic outbreaks of revolutionaries. They aren’t interested in a war with us. The Sweet Deal Obama gave them is allowing Tehran to fund terrorists groups instead helping their people.

Had Obama backed the people in the Iranian uprising in his first term, Trump might have inherited one less foreign policy mess from his Ivy League educated predecessors.
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You opposed Obama assisting the people who rebeled against Assad.
 
Darth Omar said:
(CNN) Leaders of the two Koreas have agreed to end the Korean War, 65 years after hostilities ceased, in a wide-ranging joint announcement struck Friday, that includes working towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in and his North Korean counterpart, Kim Jong Un, signed the "Panmunjom Declaration for Peace, Prosperity and Unification on the Korean Peninsula," at the demilitarized zone (DMZ) that has divided the two countries for more than six decades.

Following the signing ceremony, the two leaders clasped hands and hugged in a symbolic act of togetherness after a full day of meetings, including a 30-minute private conversation beamed live around world.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/27/asia/korean-summit-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
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No matter what happens next, this is historic.

I keep looking for reasons to be skeptical about Kim’s intentions and I keep coming up empty. Yes, he’s always lied in the past, but he keeps taking NK in a direction it’s never gone before.

Politically, if Kim really does denuke and the Koreas become one country, Stormy, Mueller, Trump’s Twitter account...none of it will matter or prevent him from being the most successful foreign policy president since Reagan, at least.

And I don’t think Reagan could have pulled that off—not in his first term.
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You'll not get any of the sanctimonious hectoring arseholes like Crypiss and Bowel Woman to agree, they are too full of their own self importance. Trump may well be crass,and bombastic but he's achieved something no other has so far, and ought to be congratulated.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Of course, now that he's our new buddy. Before he was our new buddy, he was dangerously insane, unstable, and most likely a megalomaniac bent on world destruction. Funny how that works, isn't it?
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Stick to blowing owls, Realpolitik is not for you.

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Frank Apisa said:
Trump does not deserve the credit for this in any way.

BUT EVEN IF HE DID...

...Donald Trump is still the most classless, ignorant, disgusting persons ever to hold the presidency...with the possible exception of the president he holds in such high esteem, Andrew Jackson.

Donald Trump is an abomination; a man who gives credence to the worst thoughts of people around the world who hold American in scorn and contempt.

He will always be that...even if he were to invent a perpetual motion machine...or a renewable, extremely low cost source of electric power.

He is a man with no class...little knowledge and even less interest in actually learning.
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Do shut up Franky, there's a good chap!

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Cypress said:
I have been message boarding for close to two decades, and I have virtually never seen conservatives taking the time to express genuine concern about the humanitarian plight of the North Korean people. It was months ago that your Orange Hero was talking about bombing North Korea back to the stone age in an epic firestorm of military strikes. A vast crime against humanity, when you really think about it.

So, I do not think you have any consistent, long-standing, genuine concern for the humanitarian needs of the North Korean people...and you simply see this as another opportunity to slip on a cheerleading skirt, pick up some pom-poms, and cheer for your Orange Pig.
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How many times as this pompous prick told everyone the same old shit, shut the fuck up already. Stick to stalking, that's more your forte.

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noise said:
indeed. don't look for the TDS crowd to give Trumo any credit -
but clearly the MAXIMUM PRESSURE CAMPAIGN brought kim un to the table .
Obama's "strategic patience" was a hands off approach.

Trump worked the UN and sanctions, and got China to get serious with their banking system etc.

I have serious doubts where this goes -but I'm hopeful for a verified process of denuke.
It would not be happening without Trump -even Moon says so
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They simply will not acknowledge that Trump pressurised China to impose swingeing sanctions including cutting off oil and coal imports

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Nomad said:
FWIU, because food is so scarce there, out in the country, the people long ago took to eating grass and the bark off of tree trunks. If you look across the border from SK into NK, the tree line ends abruptly. They're mostly gone due to decades of having their bark stripped off, killing them.

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Meanwhile, Kim travels around the country in vehicles with his own private toilet.
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They have removed the trees to see would be escapees more easily.

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Mott the Hoople said:
No I was one who gave him credit for reaching out to NK. I’m not quite ready to nominate him for pope yet either. It’s nice he’s broken the ice and that the two nations are taking and that’s a good start and very commendable but before you have a Trumpgasm you might want to keep in mind that’s all that’s been accomplished.
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And they might want to keep in mind that Donald Trump still has an opportunity to screw this all up when he "negotiates" with Kim next month!
 
Havana Moon said:
You'll not get any of the sanctimonious hectoring arseholes like Crypiss and Bowel Woman to agree, they are too full of their own self importance. Trump may well be crass,and bombastic but he's achieved something no other has so far, and ought to be congratulated.

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The only thing Donald Trump has truly achieved so far is premature congratulations from people willing to congratulate him for wiping his own ass after taking a dump.

I'm going to be interested to see how the "negotiations" between Trump and Kim go. My guess: Kim will play Trump like a Stradivarius. Frankly, I think Kim IS PLAYING Trump right now. Kim has given up NOTHING so far...and now is a featured player on the world stage...something he, his father, or his grandfather have not been able to achieve for decades.

All this crowing is about chickens that are still eggs.
 
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