This isn’t helping to convince the hesitant

BartenderElite said:
Why are you making it a "lib" thing?

The world has a problem w/ COVID. There is actually a vaccine that could help this problem. It isn't left or right, liberal or conservative.
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when people who have been vaccinated are still coming down with covid, SPREADING covid, then the vaccines are not really that useful, are they? to watch a group use excuse after excuse to try and lessen the dire situation that it is.......well it's not any better than the example I gave or of trump downplaying it...............basically, you're all the same
 
SmarterthanYou said:
when people who have been vaccinated are still coming down with covid, SPREADING covid, then the vaccines are not really that useful, are they? to watch a group use excuse after excuse to try and lessen the dire situation that it is.......well it's not any better than the example I gave or of trump downplaying it...............basically, you're all the same
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Actually, the vaccine is amazingly useful. Because it greatly lowers the chances you'll get COVID, and then if you do get it, it greatly reduces the effects & saves lives.

Kind of what a vaccine should do.
 
BartenderElite said:
Actually, the vaccine is amazingly useful. Because it greatly lowers the chances you'll get COVID, and then if you do get it, it greatly reduces the effects & saves lives.

Kind of what a vaccine should do.
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He isn't going to understand that. But I applaud your effort.
 
BartenderElite said:
Why are you making it a "lib" thing?

The world has a problem w/ COVID. There is actually a vaccine that could help this problem. It isn't left or right, liberal or conservative.
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i'm not the one making it a liberal or conservative issue. that is at least half or more of the liberals on this board. take it up with them.
 
dukkha said:
disagree. vaxxes arent treatments,they are a prophylactic

Yes the spike changes, but the antibodies seen to do a good job of blocking viral loading even in variants

according the the CDC ( the latest story) is mask are supposed to be worn to prevent transmission
FROM VAXXED PEOPLE..I kid you not.. that's not even "sciencey" it's just stoopid

If you are vaxxed - unless you are a very small minority that get "breathru" symptoms you are not spreading

The CDC is a laughing stock- i cant help but think they are politicized to look like Biden is "doing something"

good logic
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People can be totally asymptomatic and be a spreader.
 
Life is Golden said:
People can be totally asymptomatic and be a spreader.
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Again, a huge thanks for continuing to speak the truth about this. Greatly appreciated.

What you said is correct. This was the primary takeaway from the Provincetown. That the viral load in vaccinated people was the same as unvaccinated people, which makes it even more important to mask up. This is the reason for the CDC guidance. They don't want vaccinated people with no symptoms to spread the virus.
 
dukkha said:
there is no statistical evidence masks stop the (aerosol) spread. none
for the CDC to make this recommendation is irresponsible,and can only lead to more vaxx hesitancy
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If they don't work, why does everyone in doctor's offices and hospitals wear masks or double masks and shields/eye goggles?

This really isn't hard to figure out.
 
Concart said:
Again, a huge thanks for continuing to speak the truth about this. Greatly appreciated.

What you said is correct. This was the primary takeaway from the Provincetown. That the viral load in vaccinated people was the same as unvaccinated people, which makes it even more important to mask up. This is the reason for the CDC guidance. They don't want vaccinated people with no symptoms to spread the virus.
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Exactly!

I do not understand why so many people are choosing to be willfully ignorant and risk their lives over stupid political bullshit.

How about the "Hella Mega Tour" super spreader event today? Insane.
 
Concart said:
Again, a huge thanks for continuing to speak the truth about this. Greatly appreciated.

What you said is correct. This was the primary takeaway from the Provincetown. That the viral load in vaccinated people was the same as unvaccinated people, which makes it even more important to mask up. This is the reason for the CDC guidance. They don't want vaccinated people with no symptoms to spread the virus.
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so the vaccine didn't work. got it
 
Life is Golden said:
Why is that stoopid? Vaxxed can transmit the virus just like unvaxxed. It is to protect the immunocompromised.
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masks dont stop a spread (epidemiology) - but docs deal with compromised health care patients..as you say some are immunocompromised.
Dont think you know but my sis had to go thru a liver transplant. She's healing well after 3 years of watching her turn yelllow (jaundic)0 and bloat up

She social distances as much as possible - which is reducing the chances to exposure. it works
She wears a mask to medical facilities. they insisted she get vaxxed, but she had to wait 6 months after the transplant

Masks just dont give protection to the wearer (aerosol), and people tend to touch the face when they adjust.
between my glasses fogging up im constantly having to adjust them

Let me make my own decision. INHO vaxxing is mandatory for good health, masks give a false sense of protection
 
Life is Golden said:
I don't know. The Delta variant seems to be a whole different animal. A lot of people are catching it.
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There is a distinction between lack of information and misinformation. The asymptomatic spread by vaccinated people was not known until very recently. It most certainly took me by surprise.

This disease is not to be trifled with. Even vaxxed.... it is not a pleasant journey. And it's incredibly disrupting to your life.
 
Life is Golden said:
I don't know. The Delta variant seems to be a whole different animal. A lot of people are catching it.
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look at the hospitalization and death rates .. the cases are way up here, but nationwide not.
And those in the hospitals are way majority not vaxxed.

virus tend to become more infectious,but less viral as they mutate

Get vaxxed, use good hygiene and wear a mask if you want to; but it's your overall health is what determines
symptoms after exposure . i've been doing a complete makeover for 3 years . I feel great and am not concerned
 
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