Trump hires first woman to head the CIA

domer76 said:
She helped lead the CIA's torture program. Then was involved in destroying tapes of the evidence.
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You are sooooo easily duped :palm:

"ProPublica retracts part of Gina Haspel/Abu Zubaydah torture report.
https://slate.com/news.../gina-haspel-trump-cia-nominee-torture-report-retracted.html
3 days ago - Olivier Doulier/Pool/Getty Images. Correction, March 15: ProPublica, which reported in 2017 that Gina Haspel supervised the torture of Abu Zubaydah, has retracted its report."

Dupe-ty Dupe doh duped

:palm:
 
Superfreak said:
WRONG

https://www.propublica.org/article/...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1521153688
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Hello and greetings Superfreak,

Thank you for the correction on part of the story. I was wrong about some of the facts. I appreciate being corrected on the parts I had wrong.

I was wrong about:

1. Haspel overseeing torture. The new information you have shown, which is from a credible source, indicates that at most, she was in charge during a less prominent waterboarding than Zubaydah. That was not illegal at the time. Haspel did not accuse Zubaydah of faking distress under torture, nor did she call him 'a good actor.'

I was correct about:

1. Haspel destroyed evidence:

"The February 2017 ProPublica story did accurately report that Haspel later rose to a senior position at CIA headquarters, where she pushed her bosses to destroy the tapes of Zubaydah’s waterboarding. Her direct boss, the head of the agency’s Counterterrorism Center, ultimately signed the order to feed the 92 tapes into a shredder. Her actions in that instance, and in the waterboarding of al-Nashiri, are likely to be the focus of questions at her confirmation hearings. " (from your ProPublica link)

2. CIA Heads do not sit in the US Senate or have voting power in the confirmation of Haspel.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Yaya,

You are no longer arguing for confirmation of Haspel but have now changed the subject to Hillary. Are you running away because you know you are losing the argument about Haspel?

Germany's top prosecutor is formally reviewing a 6-page legal request to issue a warrant for Haspel's arrest, should she ever try to visit Germany.

Law and Crime
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You're an idiot, get your facts straight first!!

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03...spel-not-involved-waterboarding-abu-zubaydah/

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PoliTalker said:
Hello and greetings Superfreak,

Thank you for the correction on part of the story. I was wrong about some of the facts. I appreciate being corrected on the parts I had wrong.

I was wrong about:

1. Haspel overseeing torture. The new information you have shown, which is from a credible source, indicates that at most, she was in charge during a less prominent waterboarding than Zubaydah. That was not illegal at the time. Haspel did not accuse Zubaydah of faking distress under torture, nor did she call him 'a good actor.'

I was correct about:

1. Haspel destroyed evidence:

"The February 2017 ProPublica story did accurately report that Haspel later rose to a senior position at CIA headquarters, where she pushed her bosses to destroy the tapes of Zubaydah’s waterboarding. Her direct boss, the head of the agency’s Counterterrorism Center, ultimately signed the order to feed the 92 tapes into a shredder. Her actions in that instance, and in the waterboarding of al-Nashiri, are likely to be the focus of questions at her confirmation hearings. " (from your ProPublica link)

2. CIA Heads do not sit in the US Senate or have voting power in the confirmation of Haspel.
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At this point, I have only seen 'anonymous' sources that have stated she pushed for the destruction of the tapes. Time will tell on that one.

Not sure who thought your number 2 above was an issue. But obviously they don't sit in the US Senate.
 
Haspel is much needed..She is a careerist,and she's been running the day to day under Pompeo who spent more time with Trump then at Langley.

Feinstein has a been a sickening grand-stander during her run up to the election -
dragging this back up -after it's been litigated..

Put her in charge, she's prove to be capable
 
Superfreak said:
At this point, I have only seen 'anonymous' sources that have stated she pushed for the destruction of the tapes. Time will tell on that one.

Not sure who thought your number 2 above was an issue. But obviously they don't sit in the US Senate.
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We already know the tapes show water boarding :dunno:
 
Bigdog said:
We already know the tapes show water boarding :dunno:
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yes, we know that. The question is in regards to whether or not she pushed for their destruction.

according to Wiki details (which could be erroneous)...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_videotapes_destruction

"Creation and destruction

Abu Zubaydah, the subject of many of the videotapes.
The first high value detainee in CIA custody was Abu Zubaydah. He was held at a black site in Thailand starting in the spring of 2002.[6] Near the beginning of Zubaydah's detention, a video camera was set up to continuously tape him. Tapes were also made of another early CIA detainee, Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who arrived in October. The tapes were made from April to December 2002.[7] Ninety tapes were made of Zubaydah and two of al-Nashiri. Twelve tapes depict interrogations using "enhanced interrogation" techniques.[3]

Soon after the taping had stopped, CIA clandestine operation officers were pushing for the tapes to be destroyed. However, the General Counsel of the CIA, Scott W. Muller, advised the CIA director, George Tenet, to not destroy the tapes on the CIA's authority. Instead, Muller notified the House and Senate Intelligence Committees in February 2003 that the CIA would like to have them destroyed. Representatives Porter Goss and Jane Harman thought that would be politically and legally risky.[1][2]

Days after the photographs from Abu Ghraib became public in May 2004, the CIA tapes were discussed among CIA and White House lawyers. Muller, representing the CIA, met with Alberto Gonzales, David Addington and John B. Bellinger III. The three White House lawyers recommended that the tapes not be destroyed.[1]

Tenet and Muller left the CIA in mid-2004.[2] By late 2004, several top leadership positions at the CIA had changed. Goss was Director, John A. Rizzo was acting General Counsel, and Jose A. Rodriguez Jr. was chief of the Directorate of Operations. There was also a new White House Counsel, Harriet Miers. In early 2005, Miers told Rizzo not to destroy the tapes without checking with the White House first.[1]

On November 4, 2005, just after the Washington Post had printed a story about the existence of secret prisons run by the CIA in Eastern Europe, Rodriguez called two CIA lawyers for their opinions. Steven Hermes, a clandestine service lawyer, told Rodriguez he had the authority to destroy the tapes. Robert Eatinger, the top lawyer at the CIA Counterterrorism Center, said there was no legal requirement to keep the tapes.[1] The AP reported that, as both lawyers knew of standing orders from the White House not to destroy the tapes, neither thought Rodriguez would immediately act based on their advice.[1]

Rodriguez sent a cable to the CIA's Bangkok station ordering the destruction of the tapes on November 8, 2005.[1][8] The cable was not copied to anyone other than Rodriguez's chief of staff. It was against standard procedure to act on the advice of agency lawyers without copying them on a decision.[1] Rodriguez informed Goss and Rizzo on November 10, 2005.[1] Rodriguez was never reprimanded for the destruction of the tapes.[8] According to Rodriguez's memoir, Gina Haspel was responsible for "draft[ing] a cable" ordering the destruction.[9]:"
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According to this... Rodriguez destroyed the tapes in 2005.

Yet the news is flashing this:

"When questions began to swirl about the Bush administration’s use of the “black sites,” and program of “enhanced interrogation,” the chief of base [Haspel] began pushing to have the tapes destroyed. She accomplished her mission years later when she rose to a senior position at CIA headquarters and drafted an order to destroy the evidence, which was still locked in a CIA safe at the American embassy in Thailand. Her boss, the head of the agency’s counterterrorism center, signed the order to feed the 92 tapes into a giant shredder."
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This indicates that it was years later.

So I would like to know if either is true.
 
Superfreak said:
Hillary had zero competency and yet she still won the popular vote... because she was a woman. All Dems care about is race and gender.
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it takes real balls to infer that anyone lacks competency after your non stop support for the most incompetent of them all. The Donald.
 
Bigdog said:
You are sooooo easily duped :palm:

"ProPublica retracts part of Gina Haspel/Abu Zubaydah torture report.
https://slate.com/news.../gina-haspel-trump-cia-nominee-torture-report-retracted.html
3 days ago - Olivier Doulier/Pool/Getty Images. Correction, March 15: ProPublica, which reported in 2017 that Gina Haspel supervised the torture of Abu Zubaydah, has retracted its report."

Dupe-ty Dupe doh duped

:palm:
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Page does not exist. Nice try, dumbass.

Where did I ever say she “supervised” his torture? Here’s the real trurh and there are endless othere articles to back it up.

Stupid fuck. Next time, provide a REAL link.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...07884e-27f8-11e8-874b-d517e912f125_story.html
 
Superfreak said:
WRONG

https://www.propublica.org/article/...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1521153688
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From your article stupid fuck.

“The February 2017 ProPublica story did accurately report that Haspel later rose to a senior position at CIA headquarters, where she pushed her bosses to destroy the tapes of Zubaydah’s waterboarding. Her direct boss, the head of the agency’s Counterterrorism Center, ultimately signed the order to feed the 92 tapes into a shredder. Her actions in that instance, and in the waterboarding of al-Nashiri, are likely to be the focus of questions at her confirmation hearings.”
 
floridafan said:
it takes real balls to infer that anyone lacks competency after your non stop support for the most incompetent of them all. The Donald.
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It takes true ignorance to continue pretending I am a fan of Trump. While I agree with some of the things he has done, that doesn't mean I support everything he has done. But you don't care about that do you? You just wish to continue with your ignorance.
 
domer76 said:
From your article stupid fuck.

“The February 2017 ProPublica story did accurately report that Haspel later rose to a senior position at CIA headquarters, where she pushed her bosses to destroy the tapes of Zubaydah’s waterboarding. Her direct boss, the head of the agency’s Counterterrorism Center, ultimately signed the order to feed the 92 tapes into a shredder. Her actions in that instance, and in the waterboarding of al-Nashiri, are likely to be the focus of questions at her confirmation hearings.”
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So you cherry pick one portion of it? The main claim was disproven. The second claim that she drafted an order to destroy the tapes is only sourced through a guys memoirs. The guy who ACTUALLY destroyed the tapes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_videotapes_destruction
 
Superfreak said:
It takes true ignorance to continue pretending I am a fan of Trump. While I agree with some of the things he has done, that doesn't mean I support everything he has done. But you don't care about that do you? You just wish to continue with your ignorance.
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Would you direct us to a single post of your critical of this President?
 
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