Yes, it is. Why does the Democratic Party keep focusing upon it in the face of a wannabe fascist state?
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Disagreed since it remains a large part of the Democratic agenda. Banning ARs is silly. It's a stepping stone by the gun-grabbing Left to ban all semi-automatic weapons including the #1 killer in the US: the 9mm pistol. Most "gun deaths" are suicides which only require a single shot.
Banning ARs does little to save the lives of murder victims or suicides.
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Banning ARs is not "silly." No peaceful nation needs military-grade weapons in the hands of (almost always) untrained civilians, or in the hands of trained civilians as well. They are useless for self defnese in most areas where people live closely together. They are useless for hunting unless you're RB and enjoy totally destroying the animal. They are useless for target practice unless, again, you just want to obliterate the target rather than learning a skill. All they are good for is mass murder. Why anyone supports that is beyond me.
Jerry Mathers
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Nope.I'm guessing that this will blow back on Trump since he both asked Russia to interfere in the 2016 election and the Mueller investigation proved that the Russians did try to interfere in the election.
Additionally, I believe this is a pretense for Trump to try to steal the Midterms. Americans should resist all attempts to subvert our elections, either by domestic enemies to the Constitution or foreign ones.
Those on the Left complain a lot about fascism in our federal government yet they also support undercutting the Second Amendment which allows Americans to defend themselves against tyranny.
Sun Tzu said "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting."
Using Sun Tzu's philosophy, the best way to stave off tyranny is to convince the tyrants they would lose in the end....if not end up like Benito Mussolini, if they try to take our rights, shred our Constitution and/or overthrow our Republic.
Two ways to do that are:
1) resist such actions through the First Amendment
2) dissuade bad actors from taking our rights by presenting a credible force of an armed citizenry per the Second Amendment.
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this will destroy Dems for 2 generations.
this and child genital mutilation and violence in the streets...
you're done.
Nonsense. If the government becomes our enemy, your pew-pew is not going to stop them from dropping a bomb on your house, gassing you out of it and then mowing you down, or simply droning your home with you in it.
The most effective and reliable weapons for home defense are 12 gauge shotguns and high caliber revolvers.
For hunting, you don't need a 30-round high capacity ammo clip. And if you do need it, then you need to spend time practicing at the target range, not be out hunting deer.
Jerry Mathers
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Jerry Mathers
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No.
I just do not see the point of discussing it in a thread about the Reflecting Pool, a thread about Abortion, a thread about EV's, a thread about Data Centers, or said another way, since that topic is one that will get a lot of opinions and engagement 'i think it should be discussed in a gun or 2a chat' and all leftists can express their views, winning or losing.
I am just saying it has a place and i DO think it should be engaged if in that place.
Jerry Mathers
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As previously noted, I don't want to ban guns. I want more responsible ownership.Good luck with pushing the same plan the Democrats have been pushing for over 30 years with nothing to show for it except moving backwards.
No doubt both of you understand the phrase "pissing up a rope". You want to ban guns, I want better mental health control as an avenue to keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people. Which do you think is better? The plan that hasn't worked since Bill Clinton was getting hummers in the Oval Office or a plan that would save tens of thousands of lives every year?
When Plan A isn't working, my best advice is to go with Plan B....but that's me.
Won't work. there is too many armed federal officers of various agencies.Me too. How do you force an authoritarian state to vet their secret police more carefully? Pink pussy hat protests? Making the news by getting shot multiple times in the face or back?
Again, I favor the path of Sun Tzu; make them afraid to push it.
FWIW, I think it's only a matter of time before Americans start shooting back. Trump will label it an insurrection, but State Governors may use the NG to express their disagreement. The faceoff will be historical.
And I agree it's only a matter of time, but it's unlikely to change anything for the better.
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see my post above. That is a better thread for this talk and i suggest moving it all there.
Jerry Mathers
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ARs are semi-automatic rifles. Select-fire rifles are "military grade".
The Ruger 10/22 is a semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifle. I used one for squirrel hunting in my early teens. The proposed Democratic ban would include it.
Me too. Define "responsible ownership". If it includes mentally stable, I agree. How do we test for that? The focus is upon banning "ARs" not better mental healthcare to prevent murder or, more commonly suicide.
BTW, most murders and suicides are done with a 9mm pistol. Is that the second step after banning ARs?
ARs are semi-automatic rifles. Select-fire rifles are "military grade".
The Ruger 10/22 is a semi-automatic, magazine-fed rifle. I used one for squirrel hunting in my early teens. The proposed Democratic ban would include it.
Semantics. No decent, sane civiulian needs these. Even less so for insane, mentally ill civilians.
Hence why the Democratic agenda remains focused upon banning our way to freedom just like the Republicans.
An oppressive society is not a free society. Is it really any wonder why most Americans don't trust either party?
Disagreed since many of them would be loyal to the Constitution and not the Orange Satan or an autocratic state. Even if it's only a few, they would pass information to American partisans.
According many on this thread, the French should have just given up when the Germans invaded because they can't beat a superior military force. I disagree.
Guerrilla warfare requires the support of the population. Not everyone has to be a fighter, but most have to be willing to oppose those who seek to oppress them. Having the weapons to fight key to effective resistance. No doubt some people would just bend over and take it up the ass.
All that said, the first line of defense is not actually shooting the oppressors but presenting a credible force of resistance so strong that the oppressors don't even attempt to act. Disarming the public leaving only the authoritarians with arms is the opposite of that philosophy.
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