Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Umm, you mean how much are they owed, right?
Who owes reparations?
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Nope. I also wonder if Obama owes himself reparations. What about folks that just came here yesterday? What about Native Americans who are half Hispanic but live in Mexico or Peru, do they owe reparations too? What if they were Native Americans but owned slaves? (Some tribes actually did). Do they get and pay?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
You're not making sense. Reparations for the descendants of American slavery which can prove lineage and that a present day company owned and profited from that slave labor in its earlier incarnation.
Native Americans who were here for well over a millennium who were pushed out, colonized, had treaties broken or were damned near genocided by the US government. Remember, Spain did a number on the native folk prior to the Americans forcing them to the Mexican border and took over.
Stop trying to split hairs in an attempt to discredit the argument.
These bleeding heart virtue signaling misfits haven't thought it through that far. Not that they could.
Grok: Some tribes did participate in slavery of African people. The primary examples are the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Muscogee/Creek, and Seminole), who collectively held roughly 10,000 enslaved people of African descent before the Civil War.
- Wealthy individual tribal members owned slaves, often adopting Southern-style plantation practices as part of assimilation efforts or economic adaptation.
- Slavery existed in varied forms among some Native groups before and after European contact (often involving war captives), but the scale and chattel nature of African slavery in Indian Territory was distinct and tied to 19th-century Southern economics.
- The Seminole Tribe of Florida owns Hard Rock International and multiple casinos — one of the most successful tribal gaming enterprises.
- Tribes in Oklahoma, California, Connecticut (e.g., Mohegan, Mashantucket Pequot), and elsewhere with large casino resorts that generate substantial revenue.
- Some tribes have diversified beyond gaming into energy, manufacturing, tourism, construction, and other sectors.
Easily explainable.
The greatest rhetorical heist of the century boils down to a single word: racist.
Here's the mechanism.
After WWII, after the civil rights movement, America made racism the absolute evil. that is is.
Rightly so: conquering Nazism and racial segregation are two of our greatest moral victories.
As a society, we were progressing. Too quickly for some, but not fast enough for others. Still, the nation appeared to many to be working toward DFr. King's dream.
But then, after Obama's divisive "beer summit" reminded the left of an easy avenue of escape from reality, and like so many other terms that have been perverted by the left, "racist" has become the most powerful weaponized word in their verbal arsenal, the easy excuse to opt out of any debate, the blanket descriptor for anything they dislike, a get-out-of-jail -free card, wielded like Lex Luthor wields Kryptonite in comics.
All too often, they toss this one word "refutation" around like confetti whenever they don't want to (or cannot) face a debate. Not to protect people: to protect an ideology. The word appears, their blinkers go on, and they stop listening.
Result? Egalitarianism never wins a debate on the facts.
So instead of winning the debate, a leftist will make the debate vanish with magic words that "prove" that they are "above" such trifles as considering other points of view.
Don't try to tell me I don't know how leftists think, because I have been among them, as many of you know very well.
Do these scenarios look familiar?
Point out inconvenient statistics? Racist!
Meritocracy? Racist!
Post news reports that undermine the left's rosy opinions? Racist!
That word and others have stopped describing behaviors and characteristics and started defining a position on the political spectrum.
No need for evidence: the accusation is enough for a leftist.
They "know" what you really mean. It's a "dog whistle" that only leftists can hear.
An irrefutable ideology, protected by one irrefutable accusation that no longer needs to be proven - as long as the accused isn't a leftist.
Then, the language of racism is excused. It's just not possible for any leftist to be racist, apparently.
Don't take my word for it; there are examples on this forum of leftists posting racial slurs, and denying that they did so.
When everything you don't like is racist, nothing is.
When racism exists, and it does exist, it's shrugged away, as long as the perp is a leftist. The left has perverted another word that they selectively refuse to employ.
Stripped of its magic words, leftist ideology would have to do what it appears to dislike doing: win a debate on the facts.
Let the fevered denials, opinions tarted up as certitudes, and falsehoods begin.
The argument discredits itself.
You again didn't read or are incapable of understanding what was stated. What about the Native American tribes that participated in the US slave trade? How much do they owe? What about the ones that aided escaped slaves, do they get extra money?
What about someone like the European descended people who adopted my father, they were born here long after slavery was over... do they have to pay a full share or only partial shares? Again. Does Obama both owe and receive reparations, does he only get a half share? What about Native Americans like me, who have one parent white the other Native? What if that Native person was adopted by Europeans? Does he deserve reparations for them adopting him out or does he owe them for being raised as a European? What if someone is half Native, but was raised by someone that thought of himself as "white" even though he was Native?
Make it make sense.
How much do I owe? Is it more or less than I should be given? What if every white person in my ancestry came here after 1903? Do they still owe reparations and why? Do they owe a full share or only a small portion because of assumed privilege? What if my Great Grandpa participated in killing Southern jackwipes that wanted to keep slaves? Does he owe the same amount as those who tried to kill him for wanting slavery abolished? Or does my father not owe any at all because he wasn't genetically related to the guy who killed slave traders?
Give me the math, let's work this out. Exactly how much do you think Americans should pay as someone who lives nowhere near the US?
You have no Argument,...you only have a silly pipe dream of getting FREE SHIT from someone else.
Someone send Tach HIS reparations. By my accounting he might be worth a buck 75 or so. At the most, Ill kick in the dollar if you guys scrape up a few quarters and the envelope. Well worth it to shut his dumb ass up. I have no respect for beggars . Get out there and get your ass to work,....GOOD sound advice,...that's MY reparations for him.
TruthMatters, AKA @evince, is a Chinese Communist troll. She thinks she is owed everything by those who produce on the basis that they produce and she doesn't.
She is not and has never been rational.
Nope, she's 100% American.
She is (or used to be) a slumlord who rented houses to minorities at exorbitant rates. I suspect she got said houses in a divorce settlement.
Fact check:
Did you have some sort of point?
Reality sploogy, is the great rip off you dream of is never going to happen. No "free money" because democrats had slaves 200 years ago. It's a carrot the party bosses hold out for the lazy and greedy who think they are going to get something for nothing. It will NEVER happen.
And why do you keep repeating where ITN handed your ass to you? There is no need, you're doing a fine job humiliating yourself with your current set of posts.
Man, you bigots just get so flustered and frustrated when historical facts and the logic derived from them proves you wrong, you just start babbling.
Here stupid, learn something:
Yeah, if people don't give you free money they are bigots.
That'll teach 'em sploogy.
Greedy, lazy, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
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The usual dumbfuckery of not grasping what the subject is, but spewing your mindless herpaderp regardless.
You really are jaw droppingly stupid.
Seriously - you must grasp it on some level.
Nope.
She may live in a trailer (or cardboard box) in the Bay Area, but she is a Chinese National and a CCP Bot-Hole.
You grasp that 80% of what she posts is bullshit, and the other 20% outright lies, don't you?She is (or used to be) a slumlord who rented houses to minorities at exorbitant rates. I suspect she got said houses in a divorce settlement.
Fact check: