Deflection to keep from answering my questions. I left one item off my list your post illustrates: you look down upon those who voted differently than you and think they are uneducated and bigoted. A way to look down upon others.
Why do Trump voters want to live here?
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Deflection to keep from answering my questions. I left one item off my list your post illustrates: you look down upon those who voted differently than you and think they are uneducated and bigoted. A way to look down upon others.
It is amusing you reject my list but apparently accept the original post concerning conservatives. Our partisanship often distorts our reality.
Excuse me, but I'm not the one who posted a long laundry list of the sins of the other side. You did that. Apparently *you* are the one looking down on those who voted differently than you. *You* think that all (D) voters believe all the negative attributes that you assigned to us. Sweeping generalizations of this type belong to those who are incapable of seeing beyond their own noses; they belong to those who are fearful, who find critical thinking and nuance difficult. They belong mostly to those on the right. Imagine that.
Yours certainly does.
cawacko
Well-known member
Well played sir. Just as dumb as the OP which is the point you were making. And funny to see the response of those who celebrated the OP and want anyone with right leaning beliefs to leave the country and love to call other bigots and racists get upset over this. If one can't see the problem with the two posts they are the problem.
Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
Lets just go with what's right. 2,6, and the capitalism part of 7.
1. We want the rich to pay an equal percentage
3. Money controls Washington, and everyone should know that. You can't even get on the playing field, and do a damn without the mullah.
4. We hate douchebags that sit on wealth as a status of power, and that care little for the people around them.
5. Tons of religious liberals, most don't fit on a political forum like this though. I barely manage myself as a Catholic liberal, by just letting the smart ass in me handle the garbage around here.
6. Mostly we want back what was taken to fund other stupid shit, and for them to keep their hands off of what we got from or ancestors paying into it. Other stuff will have to figure out, when the issues arise.
7. Who said we hate corporations?
8. Certain language isn't right in public. You can be fined for swearing around youth. In private places that allow free speech all the way, have at it. It's nice to see the haters make fools of themselves.
9. We are fine with the military. You are full of shit. We don't demand kneelers stop, because of what you think it means. If you think that means we don't like military, then you are a worthless biased dolt.
10. That one is just asinine, it's the right that was changing textbooks. We don't wish to glorify the wicked in statues, it belongs only in text.
11. From what I know most liberals are white here, and a large amount elsewhere.
The rest is too ignorant to touch with a ten foot pole.
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Again, your partisanship causes big jumps in logic. Nowhere did I say these were "sins" or something to look down up. They were simply statements reflecting why many liberals don't like the U. S. as a comparison to the original post. You are the one referring to them as "negative" attributes.
You are correct about them being "sweeping generalizations," but that was to make them more comparable to the original post--there is obviously a lot of hyperbole in both posts. You are the only one suggesting others are beneath you when you said "And you wonder why we see you Reichwingers as un- and under-educated, bigoted, and close-minded." I made no such generalizations about liberals.
Be honest. In the original post from Bourbon you didn't see any "Sweeping generalizations of this type belong to those who are incapable of seeing beyond their own noses?"
I'm sure you know those on the far left and far right both fit the same authoritarian model.
Because a person does not agree with you on everything does not mean they are on the right--that makes ideology a simplistic dichotomy.
Look at the posts from Fentoine Lum as representative of most of my list.
Lets just go with what's right. 2,6, and the capitalism part of 7.
1. We want the rich to pay an equal percentage
3. Money controls Washington, and everyone should know that. You can't even get on the playing field, and do a damn without the mullah.
4. We hate douchebags that sit on wealth as a status of power, and that care little for the people around them.
5. Tons of religious liberals, most don't fit on a political forum like this though. I barely manage myself as a Catholic liberal, by just letting the smart ass in me handle the garbage around here.
6. Mostly we want back what was taken to fund other stupid shit, and for them to keep their hands off of what we got from or ancestors paying into it. Other stuff will have to figure out, when the issues arise.
7. Who said we hate corporations?
8. Certain language isn't right in public. You can be fined for swearing around youth. In private places that allow free speech all the way, have at it. It's nice to see the haters make fools of themselves.
9. We are fine with the military. You are full of shit. We don't demand kneelers stop, because of what you think it means. If you think that means we don't like military, then you are a worthless biased dolt.
10. That one is just asinine, it's the right that was changing textbooks. We don't wish to glorify the wicked in statues, it belongs only in text.
11. From what I know most liberals are white here, and a large amount elsewhere.
The rest is too ignorant to touch with a ten foot pole.
So:
1. Equal percentage of what?
2. We both agree on this one.
3.. Money is for campaigns to influence votes--because it is votes that determine winners. Money is necessary, but not sufficient. There are many examples of candidates spending much more money and losing the election because they did not have the votes.
4. That is what I said. "They hate wealthy, successful people." Liberals think a large number of them fit your description than conservatives.
5. So we agree again? Those very religious (evangelicals, fundamentalists) are hated on this forum with numerous derogatory descriptions.
6. Again, we agree. Your description fits mine. I didn't say anything about Social Security (if your sentence refers to SS) but nobody took the SS ("for them to keep their hands off of what we got from or ancestors paying into it").
7. I did. Many are very critical of corporations and see them as the evil of capitalism thinking they are exploiting workers and needing more regulation.
8. Many would agree with you on this one but many (see college speech codes) disagree. Swearing is an obscenity and not protected (but seldom enforced).
9. I said nothing about kneelers. Many liberals are anti-military (see Fentoine Lum's posts) as warmongers (his words) etc. Again, I am not arguing against some of these views, just listing what liberals believe.
10. You made my point. The right changed textbooks because they thought the left was too critical of the U. S. in those books. The left usually wants more atrocities and the right wants more God and white guys.
11. Yes, most are white. But they often post about how racist white people. And you can see numerous posts by Guno (and probably Jarod and Bourbon) hoping older "racist" white people will die off.
You find none of the original posts equally ignorant?
Sadly, it is the price you pay for being one of the cool people -- being on the receiving end of the petty and inconsequential grievances of losers.
There is a body of peer reviewed research indicating that a surprisingly high percentage of rightwingers engage in scurrilous gossip. salacious slander, outright lying, and fabrication.... at frequencies and levels not seen since the movie "Mean Girls"!
To this horde of righwing losers, I dedicate a classic Guns and Roses album.
You mean Bourbon? You cannot mean the Dem,s. They are the majority.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
I call BS on the country music hyperbole.
Jade Dragon
And I'm the one that jaded you.
Well I could put up with country music, if a family member played it, without too much problem. If they turned on a Trump rally, and started chanting look her up, I'd end up having to hit my head against the wall.
They play "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (Rolling Stones)...
I agree on country music..no way I can take much of that
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
used to be.......you're so ten years ago......
I'm not partisan. I agree with many of the descriptions from both lists although they are sweeping generalizations and hyperbole. They also apply to only a certain percentage of each group and not a majority in most cases.
cawacko
Well-known member
Such is tribalism in politics. We ascribe the best virtues to people on our "side" and worst vices to those on the other "side". This thread is a perfect example
Please cite two studies from this body of research. From the research I've seen you are right but they found left-wingers have the same characteristics. If you are saying this only applies to one side you are being blinded by your partisanship. Who are the "peers" that reviewed this research?
Unfortunately, they see this as "truth" rather than ideological bias. And it affects our objective reality--like a disputed call in a sporting event--we all think the ruling should favor our team. And if our team loses, it was because it was rigged in their favor.
Given a set of policy choices people choose their preference but will then change that preference if they learn their party favors the other preference. My conservative friends would never favor tariffs until Trump proposed them.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Bourbon,
I've never 'groaned' anybody, but this Thread gave me the urge to do it for the first time, for your OP.
This is so petty.
It sinks to the level of 'Love It Or Leave It.'
We don't want half the nation leaving.
We don't want 25% of the nation leaving.
What we need to do is to find a way to coexist.
We need more respect and understanding, more tolerance, more people who understand that freedom includes freedom of others to do things you disagree with, and your freedom to disagree with it.
We need everybody in this country, even those we might find undesirable. We don't have to agree with them but we do need to support their freedom to believe anything they want to. If we think otherwise, it falls upon us to convincingly express why.
Diversity Makes America Great!
I've never 'groaned' anybody, but this Thread gave me the urge to do it for the first time, for your OP.
This is so petty.
It sinks to the level of 'Love It Or Leave It.'
We don't want half the nation leaving.
We don't want 25% of the nation leaving.
What we need to do is to find a way to coexist.
We need more respect and understanding, more tolerance, more people who understand that freedom includes freedom of others to do things you disagree with, and your freedom to disagree with it.
We need everybody in this country, even those we might find undesirable. We don't have to agree with them but we do need to support their freedom to believe anything they want to. If we think otherwise, it falls upon us to convincingly express why.
Diversity Makes America Great!