Why does the explosion in variants correlate with the vaccines?

martin said:
Is it helpful to pose a medical science question on a political discussion forum? It is, I guess, if the idea is to spin groundless theories, in this case a theory for undercutting support for Covid vaccines. Fortunately, just a cursory Google search will inform anyone that viruses mutate into variants just fine all by themselves. Also good, the vaccines if you've had both shots protect against the variants too.
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it's important because the INSANE DRIVE to "vaxx everyone" including those not at risk from symptomatology of an infection may actually be driving variants
It's not a big deal - almost all mutations come from errors in RNA replication -but it should be looked at
in the Big Picture of risk vs. reward in pushing vaxxes on kids and teens
 
Darth Omar said:
Variants occur before or after the vaccines came out?
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And just how does that have anything to do with it? Unless the coronavirus can be contracted and survive in someone who has been vaccinated which it can't how is the vaccine going to shape or cause the virus to mutate?
 
archives said:
Keep in mind the same individuals here dissing vaccines were the same individuals a year ago who were arguing that herd immunity alone was the only answer to Covid
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nobody is "dissing vaxxes" -other then saying we dont want them mandatory, or required to engage in commerce
( so called vaxx passports)
And yes herd immunity is the only way a pandemic ends -although I think I understand what you are driving at-
that vaxxes are effective tools towards herd immunity
 
Darth Omar said:
I doubt genetic engineering is sufficiently advanced they could ‘preprogram’ a virus to mutate, but who knows.

I think it’s quite plausible that the vaccines have caused evolutionary changes in the Covid genome. Are you going to argue they can’t?
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I would but not with you, you are an idiot.
 
archives said:
Keep in mind the same individuals here dissing vaccines were the same individuals a year ago who were arguing that herd immunity alone was the only answer to Covid
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News flash lol: herd immunity is the only answer. It’s only a question of how we get there.
 
Darth Omar said:
When posters claim that not being vaccinated is somehow going to cause more variants—that is a medical science claim.

My stance is the vaccines are irrelevant with respect to viruses forming variants. I suggest they find another reason for vax passports because that one doesn’t cut it. Zero Covid is a pipe dream because it’s going to be impossible to vaccinate virtually everyone on the planet to stay ahead of the variants.
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They are relevant. As the science article anatta cited explains the vaccines affect the ways in which the virus makes its variants, resulting in weaker and weaker strains.
 
Concart said:
Once again, THEY DO NOT CAUSE MUTATIONS. They simply prevent most mutations from doing any harm, because they are not vaccine resistent. So the only way the virus can survive is to mutate to a vaccine resistent variant. Which is completely and entirely random. As are all mutations. Your ignorance is staggering.
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what? lol. no none of this is true. virus survive all the time - it's just that herd immunity preclude them from being an outbreak.
vaxxes are an impediment to host replication- one way for a virus to profligate is to mutate around the vaxx induced antibodies and then ( Darwins law) become a resistant variant/strain to the vaxx
 
Darth Omar said:
When posters claim that not being vaccinated is somehow going to cause more variants—that is a medical science claim.
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More hosts = more chance for variants.

It's more than a medical science claim. It's actually logic.

See - I'm thinking for myself, AND listening to people who actually study this stuff.
 
Port Tack said:
And just how does that have anything to do with it? Unless the coronavirus can be contracted and survive in someone who has been vaccinated which it can't how is the vaccine going to shape or cause the virus to mutate?
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By a host contracting a Covid virus that has the random/lucky mutation already on board. How else do you think it would work? The mutation would be useless in any other environment but when it finds itself in a vaccinated host, it out competes the rest and it’s off to the races.

Are you sure you know this stuff?
 
anatta said:
what? lol. no none of this is true. virus survive all the time - it's just that herd immunity preclude them from being an outbreak.
vaxxes are an impediment to host replication- one way for a virus to profligate is to mutate around the vaxx induced antibodies and then ( Darwins law) become a resistant variant/strain to the vaxx
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so we should just shelve the vaccination effort and wait for herd immunity?

if not that what do you propose.....ignore the death and carnage until we're all dead?

wtf is wrong with you?
 
anatta said:
not a virologist,but i would assume it's natural mutations,given the highly infectious nature of COVID
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MUTATION / VARIANT: noun
According to the Cult of the Mask, mutation (aka "variant") is believed to be an ability possessed by COVID-19 whereby he can super boost his infection ability, making it exponentially more contagious and lethal than before, via altering his identity while still retaining his identity. This belief, like many other Cult of the Mask beliefs, falls under Settled Science.

See my Cult of the Mask Almanac and Desk Reference in my signature below for more details.
 
anatta said:
please.. stop trolling and get informed.
was'nt Biden just yesterday talking about going "door to door" to push vaxxes?
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ok, couldn't answer that one either, detecting a pattern here

so what if Biden wants a door-to-door effort to convince people to vaccinate?

the nation should be very careful not to ruffle your feathers, and simply write off the people who will die out of ignorance?
 
Port Tack said:
That is fucking ridiculous. Yes species will evolve and slower gazelles get eaten just like the dumbshits who don't get vaccinated, catch covid and die, don't get to pass their "stupid" genes on to someone else.
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What’s the probability random person X is going to ‘die from Covid’ lol?

Get a grip.
 
martin said:
They are relevant. As the science article anatta cited explains the vaccines affect the ways in which the virus makes its variants, resulting in weaker and weaker strains.
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ya. that's the gospel out there.
But then i keep reading the delta/lamba variant is also more virulent - which is contradictory to the idea that as a virus generally becomes more infectious ; it also tend to be less virulent?

I dunno. half the stuff we read is inexact - so just be careful using 1 cite, and acquire a knowledge base instead
 
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