Woke's a joke - media edition

Diogenes said:
Here are direct hyperlinks to mainstream media sources that explicitly demonstrate the framing @Nomad denies.

These refute his claim that media did not frame Daniel Penny as a killer/strangler/white vigilante (often with racial or excessive-force angles) and Karmelo Anthony’s case around a self-defense narrative for a teen (frequently with racial undertones amplified by supporters and coverage).

Additional corroboration appears in CBS News, AP, and court coverage repeatedly referencing the “subway strangler” and “killer” rhetoric.
  • CNN (June 9, 2026): https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/09/us/karmelo-anthony-texas-verdict-murder(Frames as “Murder or self-defense?”; details Anthony’s claim and jury rejection.)
  • ABC7 News (recent trial coverage): https://abc7news.com/story/karmelo-...d-murder-school-track-meet-stabbing/19264598/(Emphasizes “A jury rejected Karmelo Anthony’s claims of self-defense”; describes him as the teen in the confrontation.)
  • Forbes (June 2026): https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...role-in-karmelo-anthonys-stabbing-conviction/(Highlights the case as a “racial flashpoint”; notes defense’s self-defense argument and reactions tying it to race.)
  • CBS News / local affiliates and AP coverage (e.g., trial recaps): Multiple pieces (search “Karmelo Anthony self-defense” yields dozens) lead with or prominently feature the self-defense claim, Anthony as the teen asserting fear after being shoved/pushed, and debates over whether it was justified. Examples include reports noting his immediate post-stabbing statement to police claiming self-defense.
  • Additional examples: Houston Public Media, NBC DFW, and Wikipedia summaries of the case note the central role of the self-defense assertion and racial undertones in public/media attention.
These sources (from major outlets like NYT, Guardian, CNN, ABC, CBS, AP, Forbes, and others) show sustained use of the exact language and angles previously mentioned — Penny as the killer/strangler in activist and some reporting contexts, and Anthony’s case as a self-defense story for a teen amid racial framing from supporters and debate. @Nomad’s blanket denial does not hold against this record of actual media output.
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So according to you, merely reporting on protests makes the media guilty of sympathizing with the protesters???

You are soooo full of bullshit.

Your links cited articles about chanting mobs calling Penny a murderer.

The articles themselves did not do what you're lying about them doing.

Don't try to pull your slick bullshit on me sonny, because you're not as slick as you think you are.
 
Nomad said:
FTFY.
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www.theguardian.com

Jury finds Daniel Penny not guilty at New York City subway chokehold trial

Former Marine was charged with second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide in the death of Jordan Neely
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.nytimes.com

Daniel Penny Is Acquitted in Death of Jordan Neely on Subway (Published 2024)

Mr. Penny choked Mr. Neely in a minutes-long struggle on the floor of an F train. The case reflected the pathologies of post-pandemic New York.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

abcnews.com

Daniel Penny tells police 'I put him out' in never-before-seen video as subway chokehold trial gets underway

Daniel Penny is charged in the chokehold death of Jordan Neely in a NYC subway. Opening statements were delivered on Friday.
abcnews.com abcnews.com

www.the-independent.com

How Republicans and right-wing media turned Jordan Neely’s killer into a hero

From the outset of the media spectacle surrounding the case, right-wing lawmakers and commentators have sought to focus Jordan Neely’s death as a failure of Democratic policy around crime while justifying the actions of the man who fatally choked him, writes Alex Woodward
www.the-independent.com www.the-independent.com


@Nomad says these are "bullshit sources".
 
Nomad said:
So according to you, merely reporting on protests makes the media guilty of sympathizing with the protesters???

You are soooo full of bullshit.

Your links cited articles about chanting mobs calling Penny a murderer.

The articles themselves did not do what you're lying about them doing.

Don't try to pull your slick bullshit on me sonny, because you're not as slick as you think you are.
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@Nomad's narrowed claim—that articles only reported on "chanting mobs" without the media itself framing Penny negatively—is incorrect.

While many pieces do cover protests (a factual element of the story), major outlets' own language, headlines, analysis, and selective emphasis repeatedly used terms like "killing," "choked to death," "strangled," "white vigilante," and portrayed Penny's actions as excessive or racially motivated vigilantism, often contrasting it with sympathy for Neely as a vulnerable lack man with mental illness.

The Guardian (Dec 10, 2024 analysis): Explicitly titled and framed as revealing a “double standard about white vigilante crime.” It states Penny’s acquittal fits a pattern where “white killers are celebrated and Black victims denigrated,” calls the incident “the killing of Jordan Neely,” and quotes experts on race as the key factor in such cases. Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/10/daniel-penny-acquittal-white-vigilante-crime
Opinion pieces (amplified in coverage) went further, e.g., Tim Wise calling Penny a “racist, classist, ableist killer” directly.

This is not just reporting chants—it’s narrative framing that shaped public perception, with race and “vigilante” angles prominent in left-leaning outlets.

Mainstream reports prominently featured the Karmelo Anthony's self-defense claim as a central, sympathetic angle for the convicted murderer as a “teen” or “teenager,” often noting racial flashpoints, bullying allegations, and an all-White jury—while reporting the jury’s rejection factually.
  • Forbes: Frames as a “racial flashpoint,” details self-defense after being “physically confronted,” with reactions from figures like Rep. Crockett and Cardi B criticizing the outcome. https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...role-in-karmelo-anthonys-stabbing-conviction/
  • CBS / ABC / NBC: Leads frequently highlight “jury rejected Karmelo Anthony’s claims of self-defense” for the “Texas teen,” with parents’ interviews (“My son was defending himself”) and debates over provocation vs. fear. Coverage gave substantial space to the defense narrative pre- and post-verdict.
 
Diogenes said:
www.theguardian.com

Jury finds Daniel Penny not guilty at New York City subway chokehold trial

Former Marine was charged with second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide in the death of Jordan Neely
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.nytimes.com

Daniel Penny Is Acquitted in Death of Jordan Neely on Subway (Published 2024)

Mr. Penny choked Mr. Neely in a minutes-long struggle on the floor of an F train. The case reflected the pathologies of post-pandemic New York.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

abcnews.com

Daniel Penny tells police 'I put him out' in never-before-seen video as subway chokehold trial gets underway

Daniel Penny is charged in the chokehold death of Jordan Neely in a NYC subway. Opening statements were delivered on Friday.
abcnews.com abcnews.com

www.the-independent.com

How Republicans and right-wing media turned Jordan Neely’s killer into a hero

From the outset of the media spectacle surrounding the case, right-wing lawmakers and commentators have sought to focus Jordan Neely’s death as a failure of Democratic policy around crime while justifying the actions of the man who fatally choked him, writes Alex Woodward
www.the-independent.com www.the-independent.com


@Nomad says these are "bullshit sources".
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Only because, with a couple of exceptions (Our Time Press whatever the fuck that is, and The Independent) the articles you linked DID NOT MAKE THE CLAIMS YOU SAID THEY DID.

You just loaded up a bunch of random links thinking I wouldn't bother to look at them or wouldn't understand what they said.

You'll need to wake up earlier in the morning than that to pull your little jive-ass tricks on me, Donna.
 
Diogenes said:
@Nomad's narrowed claim—that articles only reported on "chanting mobs" without the media itself framing Penny negatively—is incorrect.

While many pieces do cover protests (a factual element of the story), major outlets' own language, headlines, analysis, and selective emphasis repeatedly used terms like "killing," "choked to death," "strangled," "white vigilante," and portrayed Penny's actions as excessive or racially motivated vigilantism, often contrasting it with sympathy for Neely as a vulnerable lack man with mental illness.

The Guardian (Dec 10, 2024 analysis): Explicitly titled and framed as revealing a “double standard about white vigilante crime.” It states Penny’s acquittal fits a pattern where “white killers are celebrated and Black victims denigrated,” calls the incident “the killing of Jordan Neely,” and quotes experts on race as the key factor in such cases. Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/10/daniel-penny-acquittal-white-vigilante-crime
Opinion pieces (amplified in coverage) went further, e.g., Tim Wise calling Penny a “racist, classist, ableist killer” directly.

This is not just reporting chants—it’s narrative framing that shaped public perception, with race and “vigilante” angles prominent in left-leaning outlets.

Mainstream reports prominently featured the Karmelo Anthony's self-defense claim as a central, sympathetic angle for the convicted murderer as a “teen” or “teenager,” often noting racial flashpoints, bullying allegations, and an all-White jury—while reporting the jury’s rejection factually.
  • Forbes: Frames as a “racial flashpoint,” details self-defense after being “physically confronted,” with reactions from figures like Rep. Crockett and Cardi B criticizing the outcome. https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...role-in-karmelo-anthonys-stabbing-conviction/
  • CBS / ABC / NBC: Leads frequently highlight “jury rejected Karmelo Anthony’s claims of self-defense” for the “Texas teen,” with parents’ interviews (“My son was defending himself”) and debates over provocation vs. fear. Coverage gave substantial space to the defense narrative pre- and post-verdict.
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Fuck you and your slick shit.

These sources were reporting on the issue from various angles but in no way were they advocating for one side of the other.

Go away

You lose.
 
Nomad said:
Only because, with a couple of exceptions (Our Time Press whatever the fuck that is, and The Independent) the articles you linked DID NOT MAKE THE CLAIMS YOU SAID THEY DID.

You just loaded up a bunch of random links thinking I wouldn't bother to look at them or wouldn't understand what they said.

You'll need to wake up earlier in the morning than that to pull your little jive-ass tricks on me, Donna.
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@Nomad is incorrect. Multiple mainstream outlets (Guardian, PBS/AP, ABC, NYT, BBC) used framing language in their own headlines, leads, and analysis—not merely quoting protesters.

Here are precise examples with direct quotes and links.

Daniel Penny: Media's Own Framing (Beyond Protester Chants)​

  • The Guardian (Dec 10, 2024): "Daniel Penny’s acquittal reveals ‘double standard’ about white vigilante crime."Article: "Experts say Penny’s acquittal fits into a longstanding pattern of how white vigilante crime is treated in the US, with white killers celebrated and Black victims denigrated... the killing of Jordan Neely."Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/10/daniel-penny-acquittal-white-vigilante-crimeThis is explicit editorial framing by the outlet, using "white vigilante crime" and "white killers."
  • PBS / AP (Dec 2, 2024): "Was subway killing self-defense or excessive force?""Others view Penny as a white vigilante who summarily killed a Black man who was in need of help."Link: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...the-question-before-jury-as-daniel-penny-endsPBS/AP directly attributes and amplifies the "white vigilante who...killed" narrative.
  • ABC News trial coverage: Repeatedly "chokehold death of Jordan Neely"; notes "white veteran accused of choking a distressed Black subway rider to death." Protesters called him "subway strangler" but the outlet's language emphasizes lethality and race.Link: https://abcnews.go.com/US/daniel-penny-trial-opening-statements-begin-friday/story?id=115349041
  • NYT (Dec 9, 2024): "Daniel Penny Is Acquitted in Death of Jordan Neely on Subway." Leads with Penny who "choked Mr. Neely" and details "murderer" and "subway strangler" chants in context of the case's racial/post-pandemic framing.Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/daniel-penny-not-guilty-jordan-neely.html
  • BBC: "Daniel Penny acquitted in chokehold death of homeless man on NY subway." Highlights race and protests.These are not "random links"—they are major outlets' own word choices ("killing," "chokehold death," "white vigilante," "killed a Black man").

Karmelo Anthony: Prominent Self-Defense + Teen Framing​

Mainstream coverage consistently led with or centered the "self-defense" claim for the "Texas teen," even while reporting the jury's rejection, plus racial flashpoint angles.
This is not a "jive-ass trick"—it's direct sourcing from the articles' headlines, subheads, and narrative framing. Outlets reported facts (protests existed) but layered their own selective language, race emphasis, and sympathetic descriptors ("teen" for Anthony; "white vigilante"/"killing" for Penny). The evidence stands on the pages themselves.

@Nomad loses.
 
Nomad said:
Fuck you and your slick shit. These sources were reporting on the issue from various angles but in no way were they advocating for one side of the other. Go away
You lose.
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@Nomad's claim that these outlets were "reporting from various angles but in no way advocating for one side or the other" is demonstrably false.

Major left-leaning and mainstream outlets did not neutrally report—they actively framed the stories with loaded language, selective emphasis, and editorial analysis that advanced a narrative of racial vigilantism for Penny and sympathetic self-defense for Anthony.

Daniel Penny: Explicit Advocacy and Framing in Headlines/Analysis​

These are editorial choices: "killing" over "restraint," racial modifiers, "vigilante," and sympathy for Neely as "unhoused Black man in need of help" while downplaying threats in framing.

Karmelo Anthony: Sympathetic "Teen Self-Defense" Emphasis​

Outlets reported both sides but chose language, headlines, and angles that aligned with identity-based narratives: Penny as racial vigilante excess; Anthony as fearful teen in a "racial flashpoint." This is advocacy through framing, not pure neutrality. Right-leaning outlets did the opposite. The "various angles" claim ignores how word choice and emphasis shape perception—precisely the bias at issue. The evidence from the articles themselves refutes the denial.

@Nomad loses.
 
Diogenes said:
@Nomad's claim that these outlets were "reporting from various angles but in no way advocating for one side or the other" is demonstrably false.

Major left-leaning and mainstream outlets did not neutrally report—they actively framed the stories with loaded language, selective emphasis, and editorial analysis that advanced a narrative of racial vigilantism for Penny and sympathetic self-defense for Anthony.
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Outlets reported both sides but chose language, headlines, and angles that aligned with identity-based narratives: Penny as racial vigilante excess; Anthony as fearful teen in a "racial flashpoint." This is advocacy through framing, not pure neutrality. Right-leaning outlets did the opposite. The "various angles" claim ignores how word choice and emphasis shape perception—precisely the bias at issue. The evidence from the articles themselves refutes the denial.
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You're entitled to express your OPINION, but that's all it is.... your OPINION.

You've posted nothing factual here.

You lose.
 
Nomad said:
You're entitled to express your OPINION, but that's all it is.... your OPINION.

You've posted nothing factual here.

You lose.
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These are not opinions—they are direct, verifiable quotes from the headlines, subheads, and body text of the articles themselves. Here they are, with exact sourcing:

Daniel Penny Coverage (Media's Own Framing)​

  • The Guardian (Dec 10, 2024):Headline: "Daniel Penny’s acquittal reveals ‘double standard’ about white vigilante crime."Body: "Experts say Penny’s acquittal fits into a longstanding pattern of how white vigilante crime is treated in the US, with white killers celebrated and Black victims denigrated... the killing of Jordan Neely."Link: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/10/daniel-penny-acquittal-white-vigilante-crimeThis is the outlet's own analysis and language, not a protester quote.
  • PBS NewsHour / AP (Dec 2, 2024):Headline: "Was subway killing self-defense or excessive force?"Body: "Others view Penny as a white vigilante who summarily killed a Black man who was in need of help."Link: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation...the-question-before-jury-as-daniel-penny-endsPBS/AP directly uses and platforms this framing.
  • ABC News and similar outlets: Repeated use of "chokehold death of Jordan Neely" and descriptions contrasting "white veteran" vs. "distressed Black subway rider" in leads.These word choices ("killing," "white vigilante," "white killers") are editorial decisions, not neutral reporting of events.

Karmelo Anthony Coverage (Self-Defense and Racial Framing)​

These are factual excerpts from the published articles, not my interpretation or "opinion." Anyone can click the links and read them directly. Media outlets chose these frames, headlines, and emphases—that is the documented record, regardless of whether one agrees with the narratives.

I cited text and sources.

You lose, @Nomad.
 
Nomad said:
Your sources did not say what you claim they did.

You lose.
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@Nomad's repeated denials ("Your sources did not say what you claim they did") are refuted by the articles' own published text.

Here are verbatim excerpts—not summaries or opinions—directly from the sources.

Click the links to verify.

Daniel Penny: Media's Own Words​

Additional patterns in mainstream coverage include repeated "chokehold death of Jordan Neely," "killing of Jordan Neely," and race contrasts (e.g., "white veteran" vs. "Black subway rider") in ABC, NYT, and BBC headlines/leads.

Karmelo Anthony: Media's Own Words​

  • Forbes (June 2026):Headline: "How Karmelo Anthony’s Stabbing Case Became A Racial Flashpoint In Texas."Body excerpt: Details Anthony’s legal team’s "self-defense" argument after he was "physically confronted" by a larger individual; covers the case as sparking a "racial reckoning" with reactions from Cardi B, Rep. Crockett, etc.Link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryro...role-in-karmelo-anthonys-stabbing-conviction/Forbes centers the racial and self-defense angles prominently.
  • Multiple outlets (ABC, CBS, etc.): Leads like "A jury rejected Karmelo Anthony's claims of self-defense" for the "Texas teen"/"teenager," giving the defense narrative sustained visibility alongside the conviction.
These are exact, published words from the articles.

The sources do say what was claimed: explicit "white vigilante crime/killers," "killing," racial framing for Penny; "racial flashpoint," "self-defense," "teen" emphasis for Anthony.

This demonstrates the selective word choices and narrative emphasis at issue—not mere neutral reporting of "various angles." The record is there for anyone to read.

@Nomad loses.
 
Media bias metrics from established rating systems (AllSides, Ad Fontes Media, Media Bias/Fact Check) consistently place the outlets highlighted in this exchange (Guardian, PBS, ABC, NYT, Forbes) as left-leaning or center-left, with high-to-mixed reliability.

These ratings align with observed patterns of framing: negative/racial/vigilante emphasis for Daniel Penny and sympathetic/"teen self-defense"/racial flashpoint for Karmelo Anthony.

Key Media Bias Rating Systems​

  • AllSides: Rates based on blind surveys, editorial reviews, and community feedback (multi-partisan panels). Scale: Left → Lean Left → Center → Lean Right → Right.
  • Ad Fontes Media: Rates bias (left-right) and reliability (fact reporting vs. opinion/analysis) via analyst panels. Interactive charts available.
  • Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC): Rates bias and factual reporting; widely referenced but critiqued for methodology.
Specific Ratings (approximate/current as of recent data):
  • The Guardian: Left (AllSides); strong left bias on Ad Fontes/MBFC. Known for progressive framing and opinion-heavy analysis.
  • PBS NewsHour: Lean Left / Center-Left. High reliability but slight left tilt in topic selection and language.
  • ABC News: Lean Left (AllSides, ~ -1.4 bias score). Mixed-high factual reporting.
  • NYT: Lean Left (news) to Left (opinion/analysis).
  • Forbes: Center (AllSides). Generally more neutral/business-focused but can feature left-leaning contributors on social issues.
These outlets rate as left-leaning overall, explaining tendencies toward identity/race/victimhood narratives in high-profile cases involving interracial violence or self-defense claims.

Application to the Cases​

Daniel Penny Coverage:
  • Left-leaning outlets (Guardian, PBS, ABC, NYT) frequently used "white vigilante crime," "killing of Jordan Neely," "chokehold death," and racial contrasts ("white veteran" vs. "Black unhoused man"). This matches documented patterns in bias research: selection/framing bias emphasizing race and excess force while contextualizing threats less prominently.
  • Metrics show these sources score higher on "analysis/opinion" tone (negative toward "vigilante" actions by non-minorities) per tools like Media Bias Detector concepts (political lean + tone).
Karmelo Anthony Coverage:
  • Emphasis on "Texas teen," "self-defense claims," and "racial flashpoint" (Forbes, ABC et al.) fits sympathetic framing for the defendant in this context. Race is readily invoked as a lens ("all-White jury," systemic concerns) despite trial evidence focusing on proportionality (push vs. knife).
  • This reflects broader media patterns where self-defense claims by minority defendants receive more sympathetic "fear/chaos" contextualization in left-leaning coverage.
Quantitative Patterns (Broader Metrics):
  • Studies and tools (e.g., LLM-driven Media Bias Detector) quantify selection bias (topic emphasis), framing bias (lean/tone), and differential attention to race. Left-leaning sources often show negative tone toward "White vigilante" stories and more neutral-to-positive exploration of minority self-defense claims.
  • Polarization: Right-leaning outlets (Fox, NY Post) invert this—hero framing for Penny, escalation critique for Anthony—confirming partisan symmetry in bias.
  • No major outlet is "neutral" per metrics; all have lean. High-reliability sources still exhibit framing via word choice, headline priority, and expert sourcing.

Limitations of Bias Metrics​

  • Subjective elements (analyst panels, surveys).
  • Ratings are outlet-level; individual articles vary.
  • "Both-sides" reporting exists but selective emphasis creates overall narrative skew.
  • Public perception (e.g., Morning Consult on Penny) often diverges from media framing.
In summary, bias metrics corroborate the documented word choices and angles: left-leaning outlets' ratings predict the inverse framing observed between the cases. This is structural (ideological lean + commercial incentives) rather than conspiracy. I cross-referenced multiple sources across the spectrum for balance.
 
So there are media outlets that provide counterbalance to the right-wing MAGA propaganda fountains your side worships and forms their opinions from....

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Don't you pansies ever get tired of crying victim? 😢
 
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